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docpotato Member (Idle past 5077 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
Yes, witches are now just nice people who appreciate nature, and sorcery is just fun. With that pretty idea we casually allow every kind of demonic thing to influence people and take possession of their minds. Few have any sense of the dangers involved to them from the demonic spirits who are the power behind these things. Perhaps God will give us a revival in which many of them see the truth. In that case I think exorcisms might become necessary. Why are you waiting for God to give us a revival? God has already told you what to do with these people. So if you encounter someone who deals in witchcraft, do you kill them as is God's decree? Or do you defy Him with your intellect? Edited by docpotato, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes: Only an all-powerful holy God is worthy of trust. Exactly. And yet, fundies depict a god who kills children because he's mad at the gays next door. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Thank you Faith, for providing such an excellent example of fundamentalist binary thinking, and some of the implications.
The binary thinking 'right/wrong', 'True/false', 'saved/damned'. The implcations is the notion that is the fundamentalist is 'right', and everyone who disagrees is 'wrong. Noticed the implied contempt of 'liberal thinking, and the refusal to get into a dialog with those that have different interpretations. There also is the stated concept that 'those who see god differently than I do deny scripture' attitude. This inflexibilty is what drives the various degree's of fundamentalism. The more inflexible, and 'me vs world' attitude, the more 'fundamentalist' the individual. I think people will notice this pattern amoung the more conservative christians on the board. The ones that are willing to engage in dialogand dicuss things tend to lose that 'binary thinking/right-wrong' mindset.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Personally, I don't think the bible says what you think it says.
You are not putting your trust in God, or in the bible, but rather you are putting trust in your infallibility and how your put your concepts into the bible.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Of course, 'witch' is a poor translation.
It is refering to someone who 'Deals with the spirits of the dead'. Such people would be those who channel, and those folks on the sci-fi channel that 'talk to the dead'.. those are the kinds of people they are talking about (John Edwards was one of them).
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docpotato Member (Idle past 5077 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
Of course, 'witch' is a poor translation. No doubt.
It is refering to someone who 'Deals with the spirits of the dead'. Such people would be those who channel, and those folks on the sci-fi channel that 'talk to the dead'.. Wouldn't that, by necessity, include Christians who pray to Jesus? Now I'm confused.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It is refering to someone who 'Deals with the spirits of the dead'. Such people would be those who channel, and those folks on the sci-fi channel that 'talk to the dead'.. those are the kinds of people they are talking about (John Edwards was one of them). "Witch" covers the territory well enough. It's all about dealings with demons. The spirits of the dead do not communicate with the living. It is demonic impersonations of people that communicate, when it's real and not a fraud of course.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, I have to point out Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
So, according to the writer of second part of isaiah, god did create evil. However, that is a big difference between the concept that GOd created all things (including the opportunity for man to do wrong), and the sending of divine retribution. As for blasphemy, one man's blasphemy is another man's theology. To say one is right and the other is wrong you have to be God.. (and it doesn't matter one bit if God doesn't exist). I certainly don't think the concept of 'divine retribution' is very meaningful. On the other hand, I am not 'God' and neither are you or faith, (unless you want to take the quote attributed to Jesus of 'you are all gods' literally).
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, technically, the Christians believe that Jesus is risen from the dead. So , in their mind, they are not doing so.
However, that is a very good point.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Why don't you follow the argument sometime, hm? Lot said about why we don't kill witches any more if you'd been paying attention.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
"Witch" covers the territory well enough. It's all about dealings with demons. The spirits of the dead do not communicate with the living. It is demonic impersonations of people that communicate, when it's real and not a fraud of course.
That is , again, an interpretation of the passage that I do not feel is justified by the words in the passage. You are reading a lot of bias INTO the passage rather than reading what the passages actually says.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Jesus is alive forevermore, not dead.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
When you know the supernatural is divided between God's kingdom and Satan's kingdom, there is no doubt that the various occultic practices are all in the latter, and to call it all "witchcraft" will suffice.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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docpotato Member (Idle past 5077 days) Posts: 334 From: Portland, OR Joined: |
As far as I can see, you've hemmed and hawed about not being sure whether these rules apply outside of a theocracy.
Sounds like trusting your own intellect kind-of talk to me.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The word "evil" in Isaiah 45:7 does not mean sin and badness, it means calamity and disaster. It is an archaic use of the word. The evils that befall us all sort of thing. At least one other translation as I recall has "calamity" there. I can't access Blue Letter Bible for some reason to check that out right now. But that is how I have always read that verse. It is therefore directly saying that it is God who brings all the disasters on the world.
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