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Author Topic:   Critique of Ann Coulter's The Church of Liberalism: Godless
Hyroglyphx
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Message 87 of 298 (332230)
07-16-2006 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by macaroniandcheese
07-16-2006 2:12 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
piss off. go adopt a kid. preferably one that has a disability. women don't kill their kids. they escape impossible situations and rid themselves of parasites.
Awww, that was sweet of you. When my financial situation changes, I will adopt a child. Okay, some women don't actually kill their children, they just hire the hitman... which is also a crime. Its called, "murder." If abortion isn't murder, then someone killing a pregnant woman couldn't possibly be charged with a double-homicide. And yet, that is the case.
They don't escape "imossible" situations. Otherwise my wife couldn't have had the ability to adopt as oppose to kill. It's not escaping an impossible situation, its escaping responsibility and then making someone else, your child, suffer for your actions.
Lastly, if children are, as you lovingly refer to them, "parasite," then you yourself, me, everyone on EvC, and everyone on the planet, past, present and future, are also parasites. In which case, why do some "parasites" get to live and others get to be disembodied by having their limbs ripped apart or burned to death by a high concentration of saline?
I'm beginning to wonder if you even know what abortion actually entails. I only ask because the smiling mouths, crinckled noses, and soft speech on the NARAL and/or Planned Parenthood just don't convey to you what actualy happens in the clinic. If you'd like some remediation on the subject, I'd be more than happy to instruct you on the horrors. Ah heck, I don't need your approval. It's my choice. Its all about........... choice. And i choose to show you. You have the choice to clicky the linky or not.
Here are some of the methods for ridding "parasites."
Readthetruth.com
And here are some pictures of what these methods do to the "parasites"
Abortion Truth.com - pictures of abortion, abortion techniques

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 91 of 298 (332245)
07-16-2006 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by crashfrog
07-16-2006 4:14 PM


The effects of pregnancy
I think we're all wondering if you even know what pregnancy actually entails. You don't seem to give that impression in your posts.
Um, yes, I understand the effects of pregnancy quite well. I take it, however, that you understand the effects are purely a natural occurance that is an integral part of evolution. Therefore, there is no right or wrong thing about pregnancy. It just is.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 92 of 298 (332247)
07-16-2006 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Coragyps
07-16-2006 2:46 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
And there are ten times that figure wanting to adopt? There are about 1.3 million abortions annually in the US, y'know. (88% of them prior to 12 weeks' fetal age, before you bring up "suffering" again.)
Yes, that only further invalidates Brenna's argument about phantom families wanting to adopt. There are alot of children who need parental love. If only people would have listened to God, aye.
And i haven't brought up suffering yet.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 102 of 298 (332487)
07-17-2006 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Lithodid-Man
07-16-2006 4:34 PM


Re: Adoption
As an adopted child myself and having strongly considered adopting a child I have looked at these issues alot. The reality is that if a couple wants a white newborn baby they pay through the nose, get investigated from all angles, etc. etc. If a couple wants a black baby or a native baby (especially an older child for both) they need to show they are breathing human beings and can even get paid to adopt. I know several couples (all fundamentalist Christian, btw, possibly not relevant but who knows...) who paid enormous sums of money to adopt white babies from Russia or other Eastern European countries. It really pisses me off.
Yeah, I know what you're saying. Every child, white, black, green, purple or orange need parental love. Unfortunately, even in spite of some people's good intentions, some babies never get adopted based on their skin color. What I've noticed is that prospective parents would like to adopt a child that would look as close in relation to them as possible. So, for instance, if the parents are caucasian, typically, they're going to want a baby that coincides. And that probably exists because of the stigma, or percieved stigma of not being able to concieve. But this is certainly not the rule. I know of quite a few people who adopt just to save lives.
True story -When we found out we were going to have a baby, it was when I had just started grad school in Louisiana and we were absolutely flat broke. We found a clinic that advertised "free exams and ultrasounds for pregnant women" and went. As it turns out it was a pro-life sponsered clinic. My wife started hearing a lecture on the horrors of abortion (I was excluded). When she interrupted and said she was not even thinking about abortion and wouldn't adopt out our child we were hustled out of there quicker than snot with only a reference to how much we cost them by wasting their time. Take home message is: despite the evidence for the overall health benefits for both mother and child with good prenatal care the pro-life movement pretty much could care less what happens to a child once the decision to go full term occurs.
You couldn't possibly believe that. Whether or not your story was accurate or whether you and your girlfriend misunderstood what was going is inconsequential to the ridiculous claim you made. If pro-lifers don't care about the child, then why go through all that effort? Don't really care about the child?
Pretty much every so-called pro-lifer out there is also against social services, medicaid, family leave act, subsidized daycare, housing assistance, etc. etc. etc. IOW pretty much everything that actually benefits children.
Here's what benefits children...... not being ripped from limb to limb. All of what you listed is perfectly fine, so long as its not abused by either the state or the individual recieving benefits.
But please, stop detracting from the real argument. The real argument isn't asking white parents why they adopt white kids. The issue isn't whether or not a Neo-conservative will approve subsidized daycare. The issue is that babies are being killed. I mean, you can't understand that? Its just shocking to me that anyone can either be that misinformed about what abortion actually entails or that they are just indifferent to it.
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 103 of 298 (332496)
07-17-2006 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by Discreet Label
07-16-2006 4:45 PM


Re: How Liberal's react to Ann
Dunno what you are talking about but most abortions are taken care of via vacuum tube very early on. Or via emergency contraception when the egg has barely hit the wall. Call it a forced early miscarriage, or a miscarriage aided by vacuum. So if you are talking about abortion you are talking about a very small number of cases and that you are even multiplying to make seem like every aboriton is taken care of that way. You are talking like the news talks about murders, 18% decresase in homicide and coverage of murder goes up by about 500%, the hell is that? Its as if the only thing you hear is abortion via partial birth or abortion via, c-section? Probably must be selective hearing.
Okay, first of all, there is no justification. None. You can speak as flippantly about the topic as you want, but it won't exonerate you. Aside from which, you're misinformed. Most women aren't even aware that they are pregnant until 2 months, unless they suspect the condom broke or whatever other method they think might have failed. Women can miss their period do to a change in diet, stressors, increased exercise, etc. At 12 weeks a fetus has fully developed their body. After 12 weeks nothing new develops, he/she just grows bigger and stronger.
I assume this the argument of cognizance, meaning, some people feel justified in aborting babies because they don't think they can "feel" pain... (as if that justifies the act). If I shot you in the head while you slept, you'd feel nothing, but I'd still be a murderer. And to be sure of all of this:
I want you to watch this video of an ultrasound that elucidates my point. The child in the womb dies from the succion method. Notice that when the foreign body enters the womb, the babies heart rate quickens and the baby tries to evade the source by flailing about in the womb. This is a classic example of self-preservation. Therefore, the child "knows", i.e, they're "aware" that its being attacked. And as the succion is tearing pieces away, the baby with a gaping mouth appears to be screaming in pain.
Do yourself a favor and watch the entire video. Its a five part series.
http://www.silentscream.org/video1.htm
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 104 of 298 (332498)
07-17-2006 10:19 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by crashfrog
07-16-2006 4:59 PM


Re: The effects of pregnancy
Really? Worldwide, where does it rank as a cause of death among women? Particularly women in their early teens and twenties?
What a pathetic argument coming from an evolutionist. You do realize that pregnancy is a natural part of life, don't you? All mammals, including you, got your start in just this way. And pregnancy is not the leading cause of death in women worldwide. And I defy you to back it up. But again, even it were, according to evolution that would be a natural occurance. There would be no right or no wrong in it. It would just, be.
Edited by AdminAsgara, : add off topic gif - The Queen

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 107 of 298 (332538)
07-17-2006 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by AdminAsgara
07-17-2006 11:51 AM


Re: Let's try this again
I think a requisite for people discussing Ann Coulters book should actually have read it, otherwise, its pointless to talk to people who have formulated their opinions of her based on what a liberal pundit claimed.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 112 of 298 (332815)
07-18-2006 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by crashfrog
07-18-2006 12:41 AM


Re: Let's try this again
Oh, I think we've all read quite enough of Ann Coulter.
I don't have to eat a whole turd to know that I'm not going to like it. The aroma - similar to the aroma that wafts off her "literature" - is all the evidence I need.
No, I'm not laughing in derision, that was actually really funny.
Do you really find her that objectionable? You don't find yourself in agreement over anything she says? Would you say that she makes pretty good arguments even if you don't agree with her view? I think she's a pretty sharp cookie, personally.

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hope that is in you.”
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Hyroglyphx
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Message 113 of 298 (332817)
07-18-2006 9:18 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by ReverendDG
07-18-2006 1:16 AM


Re: Let's try this again
i don't think i really need to read her book if its anything like anything else she says on any other medium she's allowed to spew her nonsense on
Yeah, she's not as good as Michael Moore.....

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 126 of 298 (333045)
07-18-2006 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by crashfrog
07-18-2006 5:29 PM


Re: Let's try this again
No, I don't. She consistently misrepresents her opponents, misrepresents the facts, misrepresents logic. The things she says are often literally untrue. Why would I think those are good arguments?
Okay, so you're calling her a liar, which obviously means that you've uncovered some lies. Do you have any specifics that we might be able to uncover the truth?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 128 of 298 (333051)
07-18-2006 6:18 PM
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07-18-2006 6:10 PM


Re: Let's try this again
How about calling all public teachers agents of the liberal agenda who plot to fill our children's minds with lies so that they grow up to deny God.
Okay.......

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 131 of 298 (333068)
07-18-2006 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by Cthulhu
07-18-2006 6:22 PM


Re: Let's try this again
quote:
Do you really find her that objectionable?
quote:
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."
Yes, yes I do.
Oh for heavens sake... Don't you get it? She's playing into liberal claims about conservatites. Its called satire. And you quite possibly are the only human being not able to pick up on it. You probably read that one line on a blog. In order to understand Ann, her humor, and her points, you need to read her books.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 132 of 298 (333069)
07-18-2006 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Jazzns
07-18-2006 6:50 PM


Re: Let's try this again
You if you cannot see that as an obvious lie or equivalent of a lie then something is seriously wrong.
I was just hoping that someone might, you know, use specifics to get their point across. From my vantage point she referrences everything. It would be incredibly stupid to make up a lie, any lie, when you're Ann Coulter... And no matter if you like her or not, nobody can call her stupid.
So, it stands to reason that some evidence of the alleged lie(s) must be presented in order to make such a claim.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 136 of 298 (333073)
07-18-2006 8:00 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by crashfrog
07-18-2006 7:38 PM


Re: Let's try this again
Why? Conservatives won't check her references, because they agree with her;
She has a team of editors that scour the NexusLexus database to ensure that what sh'e saying is verified empirically.
liberals won't read her books in the first place. Exactly what do you think she has to lose in a lie?
You don't get to have a New York Times bestseller without liberals reading it too. That's just the thing. When Al Franken writes a book, no cares. Conservatives, however, love reading Ann. And many liberals feel inexpicably compelled to read it. Its like waiting for a pregnancy test. Most of them just can't wait.
But thanks for tacitly admitting that you didn't read it.

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hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 137 of 298 (333074)
07-18-2006 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by crashfrog
07-18-2006 7:37 PM


Re: Let's try this again
Don't you get it? She's totally serious. How do I know? Because when people ask her if she's totally serious when she says things like that, she replies that she's totally serious, and she means every word.
Okay, I've seen numerous interviews, and 1. I've never seen anyone even ask that question to her. 2. She's giggling the whole way through her interviews. Its satire... (though I'd be concerned if it wasn't)

“Always be ready to give a defense to
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hope that is in you.”
-1st Peter 3:15

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