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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, then, lobby for the ERA. That way employers would be legally required to pay women equal pay for equal work.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Well, I think I'd like to compare some statistics from the 50's and now. Do you have any?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: How are Christian marriages affected if gay marriages are recognized by the government? Nobody is forcing Christians to change their morality. It is Christians that are forcing their morality onto civil marriage by discriminating against ga marriage. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given. "Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!" - Ned Flanders "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: But they are being kept from advancing to the highest levels of power and influence in their professions, including, but not limited to, academia.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I wrote:
How are Christian marriages affected if gay marriages are recognized by the government? quote: kuresu wrote:
and that amendment is so much more worthwhile than one on marriage. since when did we decide we should insert christian morality into a secular constitution? ...to which you replied:
quote: I'm sorry if I thought you were responding to kuresu's comment regarding the Christian-led ban on gay marriage, considering that's exactly what you did. Then I wrote:
Nobody is forcing Christians to change their morality. quote: You said it here:
quote: quote: It doesn't matter if they are "genetically gay" or not.
quote: I'll use the word "homophobe". Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I actually don't know how gay people feel about that. Do you?
quote: Currently, we allow two consenting heterosexual adults to marry based upon what they like. What problems do you forsee if we allow any two consenting adults, regardless of gender, to marry?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: LOL! People who don't like, don't agree with, do not understand, or hate something do so out of fear, rat. Fear is at the heart of that entire list.
quote: I use the term because it is accurate.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Fear is at the heart of that entire list. quote: How so?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Yes. But most of the time, I believe, it is fear that is the motivator of anti-homosexual beliefs in people. Also, you said:
quote: Hate is almost always fear-based. Dislike is almost always fear-based. If people don't understand others' behavior, they often fear it.
quote: It's not "only one piece of evidence", rat. The reason Bush and the Republicans won the last election is because many of the people who voted for them were terrified that gay people might be given equal rights to marry the person of their choice in America.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I asked the following in a previous message.
What problems do you forsee if we allow any two consenting adults, regardless of gender, to marry? What are you worried about?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
gasby wrote:
Very recently, he has admitted that he could no longer pass such judgement on the issue but would still teach his children that it's wrong. He even went as far as saying that he would not tolerate it if one of his kids is gay. quote: It is wrong to teach your children to be homophobic. If you have a gay child, they will suffer because you are prejudiced against people of a different sexual preference that you. You do know that the suicide rate of gay teenagers is quite high, don't you?
quote: And we can disapprove all we want if you choose to tell us about it.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Why should we listen to the pentagon regarding psychology?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The former is a subset of the latter. If they weren't homophobic, they wouldn't have a problem with gays marrying.
quote: Thais makes no sense to me.
quote: Of course they fear it. They fear that heterosexual marriage will somehow be destroyed is gays are permitted to marry. ...just like many people used to (and many still do) fear that the purity of the white race will be diluted if blacks and whites are allowed to marry.
What are you worried about? quote: This sentence no verb. Sorry, I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. What, specifically, do you think will happen to damage heterosexual marriage if gays are allowed to marry?
quote: Yes, you are, if you teach that you think it is wrong, and that it is going against God. This is similar to how people pass on racism to their children. Parents don't have to wear white hoods or use the word "nigger" to make it clear to their children that blacks as a group are not good people. Likewise, parents don't have to carry "God Hates Fags" posters at funerals for them to convey the message to their children that being gay is wrong and shameful. It is certainly your right to teach such things, but I wish you would just be honest and admit that this is what you are doing.
quote: The attempted suicide rate for gay teens is four times higher than that of hetero teens. We don't have a good idea of the completed suicide rate because they don't ask about sexual orientation on the death certificate.
link Did you know that according to the Center for Disease Control/Massachusetts Department of Education Youth Risk Behavior Survey (1999), 33% of gay youth will attempt suicide? In fact, gay teen suicide attempts are four times that of heterosexual youth.
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Well, then, lobby for the ERA. That way employers would be legally required to pay women equal pay for equal work. quote: You do? What have you done?
quote: Good. Does that mean that you would be willing to take a pay cut?
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nator Member (Idle past 2199 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: True. But I think that denying people equal rights because something bad might happen is unacceptable in our secular constitutional democracy. And I've really never been able to get anybody to elaborate upon what those "negative effects" will be.
quote: OK, so do you think they are they afraid that hetero marrige will be destroyed or not, because your statement is very murky.
quote: WHAT changes? Be specific.
quote: What it does in practice, though, is deny equal rights to homosexuals.
quote: If you say "it will be bad if gays marry" am I just supposed to say "Oh, well, if you say it's going to be bad, then it must be true."? If you make the claim that allowing gays to marry will result in bad things, you should be able to elaborate upon what those bad things are if you want anyone to believe you. Otherwise, you're just Chicken Little. Edited by schrafinator, : No reason given.
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