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Author Topic:   The Foundations of the Debate
ReverendDG
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Message 49 of 133 (348983)
09-14-2006 2:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Righteous Skeptic
09-12-2006 10:09 PM


because fundies who complain about evolution, think everything that isn't god-centric is god-denying and useless unless it includes god as the central basis for it
this site is here to keep lurkers from falling into the morass of thinking that creationism is a valid science or that ID is science
scienctists who do research and come up with new evidence do not bother to argue agenst anti-science people, they leave that to people not doing research

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ReverendDG
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Message 50 of 133 (348984)
09-14-2006 2:17 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Righteous Skeptic
09-13-2006 3:18 PM


Re: The Reason
Creating worlds is a poor choice of words on my part. The worldview evolution is a part of does not depend on God. That is all I meant.
as i said, creationists, at least christians fundies, do not think that a worldview that isn't based on giving all credit to the Christian god is valid
this includes any god but the christian god
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ReverendDG
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Message 53 of 133 (349197)
09-15-2006 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by mjfloresta
09-14-2006 4:10 PM


Well that explains Stephen Jay Gould, Richard Dawkins, and a whole plethora of evo "scientists".
yes because they can do both at the same time by bending space and time!
ok do you not see i was trying for a bit of humour? just to add my point was they don't bother with arguing with people who know as much about science as a rock does, they let people like me and jar and ringo, etc do it. what a thankless job that seems to be
and why do you put quotes around scientists? they are scientists, more so than anyone of the people DI claims are agenst evolution anyway
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ReverendDG
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Message 94 of 133 (350459)
09-19-2006 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by suzy
09-17-2006 4:30 AM


Re: All Those Anomolies (with apologies to Jeopardy)
just to tell you all the OOT stuff and archeological anomolies are all fake or misinterpreted by the people who found them, or they are thought to be real but the person who runs the site doens't have a clue about geology
as for the 7 pairs its numberology and religious and has nothing to do with domestic animals
See, the Foundation of the Debate, or rather, The Beginning of the Conspiracy, is as ancient as man, has permiated all aspects of life, and depends greatly on repeat, repeat, repeating lies, about what The Bible actually says.
any evidence for this?
My belief in The Creator and The Good News He left us, won't stop any evolutionist evolving anything (if it were possible), but it anoys the hell out of those who can't explain the existance of the domestic dog, domestic grain, why native South Americans are a genetic cross between African AND Australian aboriginals and Sth. America and New Zealand sharing unique flora and fauna, just for starters.
funny i've read plenty on many of these questions, one: dogs are wolves domesticated by man about the time of the iceage. two: oboriginals came to america, america has never been isolated as people like to claim it has
three: those same people from new zealand went back and forth between the two places
The Super-Continant (that science supports and The Bible tells of) didn't divide untill way after Noah, and then it didn't happen in one hit, but still folk try to put the Euphrates of the Super-Continant, down as that trickle in the Middle East, and Mizraim in modern Egypt.
peleg isn't about pangiea its about the societies being divided into countries, how do people go from reading nations to continents is the question!
misinformation isn't well tolerated, claiming soome unknown unfounded conspiracy is even worse

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ReverendDG
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Message 95 of 133 (350462)
09-19-2006 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by jerker77
09-19-2006 5:15 PM


So the thing I’d like to ventilate is “why all this fuss?”. Why are people so upset and religious leaders so zealous in this matter? In short, reflections upon the motives behind the creationist movement.
its because fundies feel that anything that they associate with god is threatened by something that doesn't praise god as the origin, they feel the need to beat it till its dead
i should say basicly - "if it controdicts the bible, its wrong!"
or fill in any text as needed

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ReverendDG
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Message 122 of 133 (350610)
09-20-2006 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by jerker77
09-19-2006 9:53 PM


Basically I think you are right! But would you say this is only a matter of their “bible interpretation” or do you think there is something deeper more basic about their stanza?
from what i've read of fundies views of others, part of it is a fear that they won't be going to heaven if the bible isn't right and they can't lord it over others in this one
I myself would think that their conception of reality is such that they can only deal with absolutes and that their biblical fundamentalism and thus their literal creation fundamentalism are just expressions of this more basic approach to life.
well look at some of the biblists, they believe in such black and white terms that if one thing they believe is history isn't, the rest of the bible is useless or wrong.
it is a basic belief in life. some like the bible are: if you arn't with us you are agenst us. if you don't agree with the war, you are with the terrorists. disagreeing with the goverment or president is unamerican. etc etc
pure black and white

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