The Foundations of the Debate

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He wanted it to be obvious so that those who know him will praise him

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and those who don't will have no excuse for not praising him.

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I think that this gets close to the real heart of the debate.The truth as uncovered by science is that it is not obvious that God made the Earth. That doesn't prove that God didn't do it - that can't be proven either way - but it does prove that God didn't do what creationists say He did. And that is unbearable to creationists.The heart of creationism, then, is the doctrine of creationist churches - which creationists hold to be the supreme authority, even ruling over God.

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In fact, the YeCers that are most qualified tend to come from secular universities, often start out as evolutionists, and are mentored by evolutionists - not creationists.

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So far as I am aware very few people in the YEC movement fit that description - if any. Wise for instance was a creationist out of religious conviction before he studied under Gould and I understand that he admits that the evidence is against YEC.

"Some people say' i.e those already biased in favour of the conclusion. Which proves my point - it is NOT obvious that God made the Earth.

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Maybe I should make a whole new thread based on the obviousness of creation, but if I tried to do it justice here, it would go completely off-topic (the topic is by-the-way why we argue about creation/evolution).

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But if it really as as obvious as you say it has to be then you wouldn't need to explain it. Everyone was at all interested would already know. So the reason there is an argument is that creationists cannot accept that their doctrine is false - just as you are refusing to accept it right now.