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nwr
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Message 17 of 133 (348621)
09-13-2006 1:53 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Righteous Skeptic
09-12-2006 11:50 PM


Re: The Reason
My personal dispute with evolution is not that they don't deny the existence of God, but that they have created a world in which God is not necessary.
A God who can create evolution is a truly awesome God.
A god who individually makes one thing after another, with each intended to fix the problems of the prior one, is an incompetent bungling fool who deserves no respect,
Theistic evolutionists believe in an awesome God.

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Message 45 of 133 (348909)
09-13-2006 6:28 PM
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09-13-2006 3:46 PM


Re: The Reason
A God who can create evolution is a truly awesome God.
True. A God who doesn't need evolution is even more awesome.
Nobody has suggested that God needs evolution. Rather, the claim is tha God chose to create evolution.
There is nothing awesome about the kind of petty tyrant that YECs take their god to be.

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Message 93 of 133 (350452)
09-19-2006 6:32 PM
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09-19-2006 5:15 PM


But it is, and will always be, a question of authority.
That's an interesting idea.
If you are correct, then creationism has chosen its battles very poorly. For knowledge of the world will always be derived from observational evidence, and cannot be held hostage to authority. By challenging science, the creationists have taken on a battle that they cannot win.
For cultural knowledge, the situation is different. Authority can be a source of social/cultural knowledge. For authority can set the rules, and the rules influence the direction of the culture. But even here, conservative religion is on the losing side. Gay activists have been gaining support. Pop culture has been more influential than the church, and rapid technological change undermines the traditional resistance to change of conservativism.

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Message 127 of 133 (350777)
09-20-2006 6:12 PM
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09-20-2006 3:58 PM


Re: Sour Grapes
There have never been any great religious revivals in Europe that have been able to gather momentum enough to get self propelling power.
Have you forgotten about Martin Luther?

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