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The Foundations of the Debate

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ringo
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Message 7 of 133 (348575)
09-13-2006 12:05 AM 		Reply to: Message 6 by Righteous Skeptic
09-12-2006 11:50 PM

Re: The Reason
Righteous Skeptic writes:
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If God wanted it to be obvious that He created the Earth, why would He create it in a way where He is not necessary for its creation?
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What makes you think He wanted it to be obvious?
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Theistic evolutionists and intelligent design proponents have put God at the playwright's desk, where he is merely starting the machine, but the Bible puts God at center stage.
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Hint: Ever hear of Shakespeare? Who played Hamlet on opening night?
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Center stage or not, mere actors are soon forgotten. It's the playwright who's remembered.
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09-13-2006 12:35 AM 		Reply to: Message 9 by Righteous Skeptic
09-13-2006 12:23 AM

Re: The Reason
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What I meant was that in the TOE, God, if he exists takes the back seat to natural selection and abiogenesis, while in the Bible, he is the Creator, orchestrating every part of his creation.
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On the contrary. In your interpretation of the Bible, God is a mere engineer who made some badly-designed machines. In theistic evolution, God created machines that can reproduce themselves and adapt to changing conditions in their environment. That's a far greater accomplishment than your lame-assed version.
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I believe in a literal interpretation of Genesis by-the-way.
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That won't be held against you in this thread. They try to keep the topics pretty narrowly focused, so you can believe in fuzzy pink unicorns for all it matters here.
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09-13-2006 11:49 AM 		Reply to: Message 20 by Righteous Skeptic
09-13-2006 11:18 AM

The Real Reason
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... it would be difficult to point to a specific event and say, "That could never have happened".
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Well, for starters, the whole human race starting from two people in the Garden of Eden could never have happened. And the whole human race starting again from eight people after the flood could never have happened. (For that matter, the flood itself could never have happened.)
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A lot of this site is concerned with showing that a lot of Genesis could never have happened.
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The point is that a literal interpretation of Genesis is the only logical way to take, because it is the only view that is consistent with the rest of the book.
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But a literal interpretation of Genesis is totally inconsistent with reality.
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The foundation of the debate is literalists' failure to understand their own Bible and refusal to acknowledge reality.
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09-16-2006 7:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 60 by suzy
09-16-2006 5:36 PM

The Great YEC Swindle
suzy writes:
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I know I've been swindled out of every archeological "anomoly" DIS-proving evolution....
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Yes, if you think archaeology can "disprove" evolution, you have been swindled. I suggest you take back all those creationist videos and books and demand a refund.
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Edited by Ringo, : New improved subtitle.
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09-16-2006 9:46 PM 		Reply to: Message 73 by suzy
09-16-2006 9:03 PM

Re: Conspiracy in Religion
suzy writes:
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Do folk still use the, "The Bible says the world is flat" lie, to call Christians idiots?
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We have some very intelligent Christians around here.
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If there are any idiots, they show themselves up. No need for embellishment.
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By the way, you're doing a pretty good job of illustrating "The Foundations of the Debate".
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