The Foundations of the Debate

Welcome to EvC, suzy. I hope that you find your participation here educational and fun.-

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Funny thing is, all the Christians I know, dumped the crock that evolution is, well before they found Christian Faith.

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Interesting. I was wondering about this. Because all the creationists I know of all rejected evolution as a result of their conversion to a literalist religious sect. I was not aware of anyone that anyone rejected evolution prior to such a conversion; are you sure about this? Maybe these Christians that you know were exaggerating to make a point?-

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Wouldn't that explain why evolutionists are sooo desperate to shove their flimsy "faith" down everyones throat?

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No. Even if the statement were accurate, it doesn't follow from the previous statement. At any rate, evolutionists are not trying to shove a flimsy faith down anyone's throats. They are merely trying to explain the facts about reality and the reasonable and logical inferences that may be deduced from those facts.-

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Evolution THEORY was designed for the purpose of blinding people to the truth of Our Creator, through stroking their carnal pride and lusts.

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I doubt it. As far as I know, neither Darwin nor Wallace nor any of the other early workers in evolutionary theory had any intentions of "blinding people" or any truth of a creator; in fact, many of the early workers in evolutionary biology and many current evolutionary scientists are practicing Christians -- some are even conservative evangelicals. So, even if it were designed to blind people to a creator, it seems poorly suited to that task.At any rate, even if that were the intention of the theory of evolution, I don't see how "stroking carnal pride and lusts" is the working mechanism to that effect.

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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every boy and girl since the Scopes trial, HAS grown up with Evolution THEORY, "Drip Fed" as FACT

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Yes, like the theories that the earth is round and that the U.S. Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776 is "drip fed" as fact. So?-

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"They" just 'invented' a god to control everything you do, and stop you having 'fun'!"

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I guess some people do make this claim, but so what? People can make all sorts of claims; what matters is whether the claims stand up to scrutiny. The theory of evolution has been verified by over 150 years of scientific investigations.-

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Just once, I'd like to see Evolutionists admit that the THEORY they have so much "faith" in, has been sold to the world as FACT, BEFORE PROOF

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Why would evolutionists admit to something that is not true?-

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I know I've been swindled out of every archeological "anomoly" DIS-proving evolution, hitting the international mainstream media on first speculation, as FACT, like 'hobbit' and 'mars life on rock' ANTI-science does for the Anti-Creator crowd.

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This sentence is not very clear. You appear to be claiming that there is evidence that refutes the theory of evolution? If so, many creationists have claimed such evidence, but none of it has ever stood up under closer examination.

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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It's an impossible dabate to have if you choose to believe the likes of Darwin and his ilk

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Unfortunately, most of us don't have a choice in this matter. The facts are what they are, and some beliefs cannot be reconciled with the facts. Biblical, literal Genesis creationism is one of those beliefs that cannot be reconciled with the facts.-

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Saddly, even when you connect the dots....

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The only dots that need to be connected are those that involve the facts. And the facts, when the dots are connected, clearly show that the earth is four and a half billion years old, and that life has an almost equally long history that is well explained by the theory of evolution.-

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But I do have a theory as to why we are lied to, about what The Bible actually says....

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It doesn't matter much to me what the Bible says or what it doesn't say.-

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and why evolution is sold so agressively

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Evolution is sold so aggressively because according to the evidence it is clearly the best explanation for the world we see around us. Like the round earth is sold so aggressively.-

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I did once believe evolution didn't cancell out God

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Actually, it doesn't matter to me whether evolution does cancel out God. What matters to me is how well supported the theory of evolution is in the physical evidence that we can see here and now. And the theory of evolution is well supported; as far as we can tell, the theory of evolution is the explanation for why the biological world we see around us is the way it is; if this cancels out God, then I am afraid that God is cancelled out.

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw

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In America religion have a central place in public life; it is there in symbols and rituals, even in the constitution!

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Actually, religion does not have a central place in the US Constitution. In fact, the only mention of religion is in the First Amendment:

I was wondering about that. I know even Americans who can't keep the two seperate.On the other hand, note that at the beginning of the Declaration we have the phrase: Notice how they invoked Nature and Nature's God. That is a key that the god they were referring to was the Deist god, and similar to the anti-clerical nature worship that the leaders of the French Revolution tried to institute.Toward the end we have: The phrase "Providence" is another code word usded by the Deists.In short, the so-called religious phrases were just the usual boiler-plate rhetoric (the Declaration of Independence was, after all, polemic). I wouldn't say that religion or religious sentiment was a central theme of the Declaration of Independence either.

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"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." -- George Bernard Shaw