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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What do you forsee about letting adult gay people who are in love make legal marriage contracts with each other that will lead to detrimental effects to straight marriage?
quote: There is a very easy solution to this. Turn off the television. Or get rid of it entirely. Nobody is forcing you to have it in your house. I don't.
quote: No, it's about the Constitution. It is also about the fact that you don't get to deny people's Constitutional rights because you are afraid of change.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
What do you forsee about letting adult gay people who are in love make legal marriage contracts with each other that will lead to detrimental effects to straight marriage? quote: How has straight marriage "gone to the dogs"? It seems to me that marriage is still pretty popular.
quote: What is immoral about people wanting to make the strongest legally-binding commitment to each other that they can? I should think you would want to encourage such commitments.
quote: We should allow gay marriage because it's none of your business if gay people want to make a secular legal contract with each other. And, if you are right and straight people really have screwed up marriage, how does it follow that you should deny gays the right to marry because the straights can't get it right?
quote: But you just said how terrible it was for kids to see all of that violence on TV, even using this as an example of the terrible immoral things that can result from gradual change. Now you say you like it and refuse to get rid of it. It must not be so bad, then, eh?
quote: Because there is a great deal of money to be made by appealing to the lowest common denominator in the American population.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: What about it? The divorce rate is around 20% in the US. That means that four out of five marriages are intact.
What is immoral about people wanting to make the strongest legally-binding commitment to each other that they can? You haven't answered this question.
I should think you would want to encourage such commitments. quote: Irrelevant. Why don't you want to encourage the greater committment that legal contracts afford? If you value them, why would you deny them to people who want them?
We should allow gay marriage because it's none of your business if gay people want to make a secular legal contract with each other. quote: There have been very many wildly popular laws (such as Jim Crow laws) which were also unconstitutional. Denying people their constitutional rights is not decided upon by the majority, unless we change the constitution. Are you saying you wish to change the US constitution to keep gays from marrying?
And, if you are right and straight people really have screwed up marriage, how does it follow that you should deny gays the right to marry because the straights can't get it right? quote: Please answer the question. You noted that straights have screwed up marriage as if that was some justification for denying it to gays. Why did you say that if you don't want to deny marriage to gays?
quote: Irrelevant and avoidant.
quote: There isn't much on TV that is worth the time I waste sitting on the couch. But, why wouldn't I allow the existence of TV? It doesn't bother me.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: The Simpson's is one of the best, most intelligent shows to ever be broadcast over the airwaves.
quote: National Public Radio isn't "talk radio" as you refer to it. It broadcasts no trash and is highly intelligent and educational as well as entertaining.
Here is a link to find the NPR affiliate closest to you.
quote: Well, then, we should abolish all religion, because it changes people and makes them believe all sorts of crazy stuff, and some of those who believe may decide they need to abuse or kill others because they don't believe the same as them. Such is life, rat. You cannot control everyone else's life just because you are afraid of what might happen.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: That is a misleading, false statistic.
quote: ...which skew the result to a misleading number. Most first marriages do not end in divorce (only about one third fail, and do so in the first 10 years). It's the people who marry and divorce many times that are driving these apparently high numbers. There is some interesting data available on this subject.
here, here, here And the actual rate does seem to depend upon which group one is referring to. But 50% has never been true, as you noted in your link. The divorce rate in the US has never exceeded 41%, and among some groups (such as college-educated women, and also people marrying over the age of 20) it is much lower. It is much higher among other groups, like conservative Chritians.
quote: So what? I never said that TV is the devil. I am mostly bored to tears by it. The issue with TV and children is that it is too often used as a babysitter and keeps small children from learning to entertain themselves. I'd rather have them play video games, honesly, and if there are DVD's appropriate for them, then they could watch those.
quote: Hardly. It's a lot like food. Soda was never allowed in my house growing up, although I drank it at friends' houses and at fast food places. I don't buy it now, nor did I ever buy it on a regular basis. I never did the caffeine thing, either, so I don't drink tea or coffee except every once in a while. My husband, however, always had soda, specifically cola, in his house growing up, and therefore always bought it in college and drank it almost every day (up until fairly recently) from a vending machine at work. He most likely has been addicted to caffeine for nearly 30 years, and has only recently stopped his daily consumption of soda in favor of tea.
quote: Sure, and so does people's involvement in religion, if they are getting any sex, if they have recovered from their childhood emotional abuse, if they are taking any prescription or illicit drugs, etc. etc. etc. Trying to control everyone else's life is fruitless, rat. If I find that someone is behaving badly to me or mine, I will deal with it with that individual, but other than that I have no reason to meddle in anothers' life. "Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends! Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!" - Ned Flanders "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear." - Thomas Jefferson
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I thought that we gained the same ability as God to determine Good from Evil when Adam and Eve ate of the Tree in the Garden of Eden? If we have the same ability as God, then certainly we can judge God's actions as stated by Him in the Bible, can't we?
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