Your eternal destination: you decide.

It seems there is a dimension beyond 'rabid'. My bad...

Your substantive reply was: "Ditto CK and Ned"I didn't say he must exist. I supposed even the most rabid atheist must concide he could exist. C'mon Subbie..I've been around a little longer than that

I proposed nothing of the sort. For the benefit of you alone I'll go back to clarify

Edited nonetheless. Best to be as clear as possible. Cheers Subbie..

Name one who gives a basis for so holding. I'm in a different position to the atheist. An atheist cannot know God doesn't exist. Whereas I can know he does. And if I do then I can know all sorts of things as a consequence of that amongst which, Allah doesn't exist.We float not in the same boat, the atheist and me.

If you have a problem with the answer I gave your queston then address it. Don't curl your lip without due process. This is a debate website - not a posturing parlour.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

How dry is the chalk and how ripe the cheese is something we could go on and on about. Needless to say RC is light years away from Christianity as far as I am concerned. I ain't willing to discuss how many light years to the nearest bazillion with you*.{AbE} *Well I am: how close is salvation by mans works vs salvtion by Gods grace - in light years? Like I said - light years Remind me svp.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

A quick trawl back through what you have written shows:a) a series of posts objecting to my saying that an athiest must believe that God must exist. You eventually realised I hadn't said this. "Mea culpa" were your wordsb) a non-specific complaint that you don't like the answer. You call it a "non-answer" but don't say why you suppose that it is.Like I said Subbie. This is a debate forum. You are free to pick apart the answer if you like. You refrain from doing so. The rest of your post is based on your assertion that the answer I gave is a non-answer so hangs or falls on it being so.Let me spell it out for you. An atheist must admit that God can exist. A person who knows God of the Bible exists can know that Allah doesn't. That other supposed gods are false gods. And lets face it: a person can know God exists. All it takes is for God to exist and for Him to let a person know that he does. There is no impediment to him doing so.Its not a "non-answer" - its an answer you don't like. A old man can ask a child what he wants to be when he becomes an adult. A child cannot ask an adult what he wants to be when he becomes an adult. You presume a reciprocity that need not exist.The problem is not the non-answer, its the non-question.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

You introduced some tripe about me aligning with RC in order to cover my arse (or some such guff). I responded to that. That has nothing to do with the 'same question'

You've a poor memoryThe rest of your post is plain rubbish.

Subbie might as well have asked me "When is red?"How does one go about answering non-questions? The question posed in the OP is not a non-question either for the athiest (for God can exist) or the person who thinks. believes, hopes that Allah or one of the other gods exists. They must both face the fact that God of the Bible can be a reality. They can consider the question in the light of that reality.

You got a little mixed up there Archer. The "When is red?" bit doen't fit in this context. The OP is a valid question.I don't happen to fit into the category of Subbies question. I know God exists.

I've seen a lot of people tripping up over themselves: you with your mea culpa, Iceage with his RC offshoot-transmuted-into-rebuttal. Even the normally tight Archer can't string a satirical paraphrase together coherantlyJackass, heal thyself...Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Read back: "a person believing, thinking, hoping God/Allah/Krisna exists" is not a person knowing.For example: I believe/think/hope the sun will rise tomorrow. I don't know that it will. If someone were to ask me what would I do were it not to I could answer them.The person who knows Allah exists can't answer the OP - it equivilent in its being a non-question for them as it is for me.

I see Archer has made at least some attempt to debate the issue. He hasn't been reading things very clearly though.Neither you nor Iceage have attmpted debate - just assertion. So you two don't count (for all huffing and puffing)Tudwell? All he said was this: I asked him to name one atheist who doesn't concede that God of the Bible can exist and on what basis they do this . He never said. He doesn't mention anything about my being non-reponsive. So he shouldn't be counted in your armies of the disenfranchised.This is a debate forum Subbie - not a popularity contest. Debate if you like. Spare me the hand wringing...Edited by iano, : No reason given.