Bible: Word of God or Not

tell me iano, why in the world would god care about people wearing two fiber cloth, or the eating of shellfish? or stone people for infractions , or allow his own children to be enslaved by othersi don't consider a book werein i can use one verse from the same bloody book to argue aganst someone else using a verse from the book i am using, thats insanity yes well, if you argue that the 10 commendments stand as being the first and final laws of god and say he never changes, then argue that theres execptions, like doing work on the sabath is worthy of stoning, or being stoned for saying gods name, then well...
i don't really think the nature of people matters if its not the point of the other persons argumenti mean, why trust a book that has huge numbers of exeptions and loopholes that allow people to do terrible things? being in the name of god doesn't make something any more right or consistent than not being in the name of god

i'm confused, how is the death of the apostles any different than any other martyrs death? you are claiming a double standard for your religion. even if its a lie they died believing it to be true, it doesn't matter if it is or isn't true then your inablity to see outside your own little box is blinding you to the possiblity that they may have been deluded.
i think i can come up with a few marytrs, there were a lot in judaism and islam
pretty much anyone killed trying to stay in thier own belief.
Being that you believe in jesus, you can't conceive of it being a delusion, and neather can the people who died in america because they didn't want to convert to christianity from native religions

hmm no. i think the canon has gone through about 10-15 changes after nicea heretical? they rejected revelation for centuries, it wasn't until the council of trent that we have something close to the bible we have nowsorry but, theres a lot of history people try to hide here, trying to claim it was consistent when it really wasn't and still isn't uh no, go read what a prophet is, a prophet is someone who speaks for god to man, so yes mohammed was a prophet, try reading about what the word means the "gift" of prophecy? they arn't born with it! god speaks through them, you are thinking of someone who can see the future, god hated them though now
sorry but prophecies aren't looks into the future, they are words told to people by god's spokesmen, prophet was a title you know eh, what do you call archeology then NJ? making stuff up? theres a science to explore and explain history you know.and yes the bible is not a science or history book, it is a spiritual view of god by a group of people, its full of myths and legends and folk stories, unless you think cutting hair will cause a person to weaken? i've read that in other religious myths oh yes, because the bloody sun goes around the earth and the earth can stand still on pillers and rain falls through windows
you are grasping at straws here NJ
the fact that we have no evidence showing anything has suddenly changed within the last 10 thousand years when it comes to the very mechanics of the universe, casts doubt on the exegenesis of creationism
the arguement "Well it all changed so there wouldn't be any" wouldn't make any sense would it?
i mean what? those ice cores and the earth isn't enough to show that the earth has always worked the same way?the truth is, it is a myth, just like greek myths or norse myths. whether the people thought they were true are irrelevent to reality, since thats what they had to go on
being a non-ship faring, goat herding, religiously strict people doesn't help eather

this is why it always seemed to me to be just a story, why would the romans take him down? what would be the point of crucifixion if it wasn't used to show what happens to people that cause trouble?
they could have just cut his head off or something like that i doubt the romans cared about being fair about jewish death rituals or the bodies, wouldn't you think he would end up in golgotha like all the other criminals? i'm thinking because it wouldn't have made it more dramatic if they broke his legs.personally i think they would be a bit surprised to have the guy die on the same day, normal people take far longer than that to die, longer if they want you to die slowly.it always seemed to me to be much like an urban myth, urban myths tended tward seeming factual till you dig deeper than the surface and find it has lots of facts wrong and makes little logical sense

uh what? i'm agreeing with you, if a guy dies faster than normal i would be surprised, its a plot element and unrealistic
i have read the gospels thank you, i'm not sure why you think i havn't i realize this, i know why they do it, i was pointing out they didn't do this, but pierced his side, which i think is purely about trying to furfill prophecies in the OT, like isaiah this is also a plot element, he was there for 3 days, though the authors can't seem to count the days really. its written to make it look like jesus is a passover sacrifice, paul writes that he was one pilate was pretty damn brutal and intelligent, i'm not sure he would care, unless caeser told him to calm the people, other wise i think he would just kill everyone. it depends on how many soldiers you have, and how well they are trained and armed, if they start rioting you can just kill themi mean look at what happend 40 years later when the jews rioted, the romans didn't care one bit and killed and burned down everything

I think one of the things that really for me makes it hard to take the bible as the word of god is the fact that when you read it, you see many different voices, views and beliefs.
theres no single view of god in the bible, its a collection of beliefs over a long period of time, not the beliefs of one person as people want to believei was reading over leviticus recently, and i realized that that 17 and 20 say the samething in different words, and have inserts after 5&6 in each chapter
not only that, but why would god keep laws about slavery or rape or anything like that? why would a loving god have such laws, people argue that he does it because the people want the laws, but he's god hes the law maker isn't he?
the inconsistency of the laws and the structure of the text doesn't show anything but the work of men and none of it shows an all powerful god of any sort

if this has been brought up, forgive me
but my question is, were in the bible does it say god created us perfect, within the OT mainly.
the whole fall thing as far as i can tell, is just inferred from the text and puffed up from outside the bible yes this is true, all faith is, is a belief of something no matter what, its a testing of the persons belief

the problem is never once to anyone, that is verifible, has god said he made the commandments up or the jewish law, or the later christian law.
would you agree that laws that are said to be told to people by gods, are more effective as laws, than just having men be the authors?
i would say a law werein, the punishment is to be smited or sent to hell is pretty effectivethe message in the NT isn't really all that new or original, or insightful even, the buddha taught the same ideas jesus did, not the same words, but the same basic message
lets not even talk about the OT, theres so much in there people in this time really have wrong, or mistranslate.

well he wasn't talking about the NT, if he was where did he? he never said anywhere "you will write this all down later!"
i think he was reminding people god expected things of them well just to tell you, for the jews, there are two parts to the torah, the written and the oral, the oral was later written down as the talmud. both the written torah and the oral torah are holy.
this is why the OT is rather confusing i think, some of it is oral and people just expected the reader to know
as for the NT, well parts of it might have been considered inspired by god, it took quite a while for people to figure out what was inspired, revelations took hmm 500-600? years?i think really it wasn't untill late in the 15th century that people started to consider it the word of god no its not the message, the message isn't all that amazing, its the fact that people had no clue what the message was or how to understand it like i said, if you have bunch of texts you can't agree on, theres little reason to consider it the "word of god" well if you can find a way to pick what is inspired and what isn't, there ya go, you have your insperation detecter