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Jazzns
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Message 81 of 301 (360115)
10-31-2006 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by mjfloresta
10-31-2006 12:09 PM


I am not saying that you are wrong, I just think that your line of reasoning in supporting the resurrection is very BADLY flawed.
There are plenty of people in history, even recent history, who have "drank the koolaid" so to speak. If a few DOZEN people are willing to die so that they can be wisked away on their comet to a new planet paradise then does that make them more right than the 11 who risked their lives to spread the word?
Belief in Christ and belief in the resurrection should not rely upon the logic of how inconvienent it was for the diciples to spread the word. The resurrection does not stand or fall upon such a weak grounding.
Christians need to stop trying to PROVE (tm) the bible and start simply telling people about Christ. It is up to the individual heart to believe or not. Trying to convince the mind that a man who was god raised from the dead is a futile exercise.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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Message 87 of 301 (360128)
10-31-2006 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by truthlover
10-31-2006 12:36 PM


I think you misunderstood what I am saying.
Very simply, the accuracy of the resurrection is not given any weight by mj's line of reasoning.
I was not talking about faith in Christ. Certainly, seeing what some people are willing to go through to share their faith may be a good motivator for some people to inquire about God. The perseverange of the apostles and other Christians through persecution is very noble and the fact that they did it peacefully speaks well.
What it DOES NOT do is prove that the resurrection happened. My last comment about convincing hearts with faith rather than convincing minds with "proof" I believe still stands.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
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From: A Better America
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Message 97 of 301 (360206)
10-31-2006 5:43 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by truthlover
10-31-2006 5:21 PM


Once again I feel we are talking about two different things. I specifically mentioned accuracy of the event as related to evangelism. I don't think it is fruitful to describe it in the way mj did because it is an appeal to logic when there is nothing logical at all about the resurrection.
I specifically did say that the motivations of the apositles as it relates to evangelism for BELIEF in the resurrection is just fine.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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Jazzns
Member (Idle past 3941 days)
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From: A Better America
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Message 110 of 301 (360372)
11-01-2006 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by truthlover
11-01-2006 9:23 AM


I don't disagree with anything you just said. I am sorry but you simply are not understanding what I am saying or what my primary objection to MJ's argument is. I don't know how we can proceed in this manner.

Of course, biblical creationists are committed to belief in God's written Word, the Bible, which forbids bearing false witness; --AIG (lest they forget)

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