But you've repeatedly claimed, in the other thread, that the word 'generation' must mean something else other than 'generation' otherwise it would mean the Bible is wrong.
That is two times in two messages that you demostrate to me, that you have a hard time understanding me, even though I have expressed myself very clear.
I never said that at all, and in that thread, I said, and posted many interpretations of what was going on, and I told you that there is no absolute meaning, although you seem to think there is. I must have expressed that several times throughout the thread.
What I said, repeatedly, is that I do not believe that Jesus was wrong, and that if He was, then I don't feel like He could have been the son of God as He claimed. Jesus was also known as a prophet, and a prophet cannot be a prophet if He is wrong. If Jesus was wrong, then that starts a whole dominoe effect of other things, then He becomes just another man, and not the lamb of God, who washed away our sins, tore the curtain, and made our bodies the temple.
That whole thing does not hinge on the meaning of the word genea at all. Genea can fit your description, and take on the contemporary meaning of the word, and that verse still works. We would then need to go on and show how all those things came to pass. According to some of the notes and comentaries, they did.
The only thing I can make out of that is that you hold the Bible as the inerrant word of God, otherwise you would entertain the possibility (or high probability, in this case) that it could be simply wrong.
I expressed very clearly that I would be willing to accept that the bible contains errors, but that I would not be able to accept that Jesus was wrong.
I take the bible exactly for what it is worth. A collection of 66 books that are the writings of men of the time, expressing what they saw, and felt about Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. It has been translated several times. Thousands of years have passed since those things have happened, and we sometimes have a hard time understanding why things where the way they were, because we just don't live like that anymore.
But, within those words, you can find the word of God. It is very powerful, and it is a living word. It is like no other words in the world. There is truth in the bible, and once you experience the truth, you are set free, even though you feel like you do not need to be set free, or even if you do.
It really sucks to get hung up on a the greek meaning of the word genea, and then ignore all the other stuff. You yourself even said you agree with much of what was said. All I am saying to you is to then just focus on what you feel is true.
so God spoke to you before you read the Bible ?
No. I have read the bible here and there my whole life. But most of it did not make any sense, and you could say I was like you. It is very easy to let the words of the bible turn you into an atheist, but is up to you, and not to blame on the bible itself. Our inability to see the forest through the trees, cannot be blamed on the bible, but can be blamed on ourselves, the world, our parents, and God. Just what is fair and not fair about it, is not up to me, but up to God to decide. Everything has a purpose. There is good in the bad.
It's all about the journey.
see it's statements like this one that make me want to give up talking to Christians. It's precisely because you can interpret the meaning of the word 'genea' that you should have plenty of reason to believe His words weren't true (or, alternatively, that the Bible writers got it wrong).
If Jesus is coming again, then that verse Mat24:34 can still be relevent today. The living word of the bible is that powerful.
It is when you start applying verses in the bible to things in life, and start going against what the bible is trying to teach us. That is when the trouble starts mis-interpreting verses.
For instance: If I took that verse about "this generation" and started a whole religion of people based on that verse, and started condemning all those who weren't part of it, then I would be mis-interpreting that verse.
Or, if I took that verse, and determined that it just wasn't true, then started a whole line of disbelief based on that, then I would be mis-interpreting it.
That is why faith is so important. It is believing in Jesus that gets you to know Him, in this life. That is why I mention faith to you.
To me it certainly seems that you worship the book. Why would you go to such lengths to show that it isn't wrong, otherwise ?
I did not go to great lengths to show it wasn't wrong. I provided every example of what that verse can mean, including your version. I went to great lengths to discuss it, because I found it very interesting, and God speaks to me through those discussions. It goes way beyond just those 2 verse we were discussing.
Jesus prophesied something that didn't happen. Either he got it wrong, or the Bible writers did
You see how you are dealing in strictly absolutes?
We never discussed if those things did already happen or not. We were too stuck on the meaning of just one word.
If you really worship Jesus and not the Bible I'd expect you to admit that it was the Bible which is in error. Instead, you try to defend the book as vigorously as you do Jesus.
I will defend the book to a point, but not to the point where I would call it the inherrant word of God. I have no way of proving that, and is why faith must play a role in it all.
It is a subjective book, based on subjective faith, what could I possibly prove?
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