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Author Topic:   Bible: Word of God or Not
arachnophilia
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Message 135 of 301 (362326)
11-07-2006 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Rob
11-07-2006 12:34 AM


do i need to point out the problem with this?
What is the single most compelling reason or piece of evidence that leads you to conclude that the bible is the "word of god".
The resurection!
ok. who's resurrection? how do you know about it?


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Message 136 of 301 (362328)
11-07-2006 12:54 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by mjfloresta
11-02-2006 12:36 AM


Re: Conviction of Truth is not Proof of Fact
3. The soldier that crucified Christ were Romans - the most experienced and professional soldiers in the world. Roman Crucifixion was the ancient equivalent of the French Guillotine; They knew what they were doing when it came to this form of execution.
crucifixion is a brutal form of execution, but it is especially brutal because it is so slow. people would take months to die on the cross, eventually dying of (usually) suffocation from fatigue, (sometimes) exposure, blood loss, and (occasionally) hunger. but almost never thirst -- they kept them hydrated, to keep them alive, and prolong the torture.
for a person to go up on a cross, and come down the same day is rather suspicious. and for a second reason, as well.
5. Following Jesus' death at 3 pm, his body was left on the cross until dusk. Joseph of Arimathea wanted to bury Jesus, but Pilate, wanting to assure that He was truly dead, did not give Joseph the body until Pilate's Centurion had confirmed that he was truly dead.
the primary function of any form of punishment is as a deterrent. to this end, crosses were placed at city gates, and along roman highways, in plain view of everyone. and they were left there long after the victim had died, so that stench and decomposition and horror of it all would remind everyone who passed by for the next year or so not to mess with rome. they were almost certainly never allowed proper burials, and certainly not the same day they were hung. this is very, very suspicious.
4. The Romans broke the legs of the other prisoners to speed up their deaths. When they got to Jesus they found that he was already dead. Again, they were experienced, they knew death. But to make sure, they plunged a spear into his side
why not break his legs, like they did to everyone else?


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arachnophilia
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Message 142 of 301 (362539)
11-08-2006 2:07 AM
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11-08-2006 12:41 AM


Re: Conviction of Truth is not Proof of Fact
i doubt the romans cared about being fair about jewish death rituals or the bodies, wouldn't you think he would end up in golgotha like all the other criminals?
to be fair, as archer said, judea is a special set of conditions as a roman territory. they often do respect traditions. but the issue isn't so much respecting traditions as it is making jesus special. the other criminals were allowed the same concern.
i'm thinking because it wouldn't have made it more dramatic if they broke his legs.
it's because you can't break the bones of your passover meal. let me know if you figure why romans are obeying obscure jewish religious traditions.


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arachnophilia
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Message 145 of 301 (362554)
11-08-2006 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by Archer Opteryx
11-08-2006 3:32 AM


Re: Conviction of Truth is not Proof of Fact
The reason given for the practice of breaking the convicts' legs was to hasten death, not to provide drama.
i think he meant as a plot element in a piece of literature, not as a historical occurance.


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