A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives ...by Michael Moore

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The other day I was driving home when I noticed the car in front of me had a sticker that said say no to tax state and federal.

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If we have no federal taxes, how are we supposed to fund a military to take over the Middle East for the oil companies?

According to these conservatives that only want to lower taxes to 0%, supposedly it's magic money that grow on trees. On the one hand, they support a bigass army with the most advance and powerful weapons in the history of the world and on the other they don't want to pay for this bigass army with the most advance and powerful weapons in the history of the world. I swear, sometimes I wonder if more than half the country is under some kind of "stupid" spell.

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The thread about this map can be found here.

I remember more of this type of behaviour coming from the 2004 campaign than I did this most recent one; with a few annoying exceptions. It was a reprehensible ploy and I'm making no excuses for it, but that's not the topic. I agree that he is free to say whatever he wants to say, but MM is one of the country's premier public flame-warriors and I see no cause to regard him as anything other than the kind of scum that scum wipes off the bottom of their shoes. The fact that gutter-flotsam exists on all sides of the political fence doesn't make me like the taste of his brand better than that of anyone else.

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When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

Really?There isn't even a possibility that they could be incompetents guided by high ideals? Or perhaps good people who made bad decisions? Or even real statesmen who just happen to disagree with you?It's exactly this kind of automatic demonization of the opposition that has split our country to the point that we can't even agree that stoning little girls for being raped is wrong. If you don't show a little respect for the opinions of others then don't expect any for yours.

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When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

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...MM is one of the country's premier public flame-warriors and I see no cause to regard him as anything other than the kind of scum that scum wipes off the bottom of their shoes.

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Actually, I find Moore to be too timid in his wit. Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky are my favorite "flame warriors". If you don't like them, then don't read them. Problem solved.

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Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

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There isn't even a possibility that they could be incompetents guided by high ideals?

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That's a possibility, but not a very likely one.-

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Or perhaps good people who made bad decisions?

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Even less likely.-

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Or even real statesmen who just happen to disagree with you?

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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!No.-

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It's exactly this kind of automatic demonization of the opposition that has split our country to the point that we can't even agree that stoning little girls for being raped is wrong.

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Huh? Is this a thread that I missed?-

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If you don't show a little respect for the opinions of others then don't expect any for yours.

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Hell, I'm a communist. I learned long ago not to expect any respect for my opinions. I'm also not a Christian, so I'm under no obligation to "turn the other cheek".

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Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

I guess we must live in alternate universes. The results of the last election made it clear to me that the republicans have caught the lion's share of the blame. I'm sure they would have been happy to rub it off on the democrats if they could. Who cares what I acknowledge? The answer to these questions is delivered by the voting public. But it seems there's a large contingent of democrats who are more concerned with holding an inquisition and subsequent auto de fe than they are with actual fixing our broken government.Does the name calling actually fix anything? Come on RAZD. I have a high opinion of you as a person with better than average powers of reason. We're living in a country where we seem to be performing a perverse type of natural selection on politicians that will result in a new species of hyper-successful insult comic. Can't we do better than that?

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When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

What sort of responsibility falls on the republicans alone? We'll all be held responsible and we'll either face the fact that the well has a bottom or we'll suffer an economic collapse. At that point there won't be just one party to blame, there'll be two. Unless of course (as I said) the dems (or anyone else really) decide to step up and put us on a responsible path.The dems have their opportunity...like I said: let's see what they can make of it before we decide they're superior to dubya and his buddies. From where I sit I don't see much difference.

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When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

Volume and vindictiveness go farther in a flame war than wit. Moore brings plenty of the former and none of the latter. I'll agree with you about Vidal and Chomsky, but it seems they don't have a lot of the popularity that the bomb-throwers like Moore and Coulter have. Nowadays it seems that polite discourse is a sign of weakness and listening is something the other side is supposed to do.

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When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

ALL of the responsibility for the huge debt run up for the Iraq fiasco, after all it was Bush & Company that presented the lies and data that Congress used to make decisions. It is the BUSH Debt. 100% Bush Debt.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

There's an old saying: Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.I'm not gonna sit here and tell you dubya's a good president, but I don't think he's evil incarnate either. No...just a personal pet peeve. The Taliban and similar religious nutjobs need to be crushed. Respecting their diversity is the same thing as throwing the stones. I'm a tolerant person but I would rather see dead murderers than more victims. Iraq may be the wrong war, but we're there. The day they stone a rape victim or hang a 14 year old for being gay is the day I'll know we lost not only the war, but our very soul. You think Bush is evil...open your eyes. I didn't ask you to turn the other cheek...I asked you to stop slapping...there is a difference.

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When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

The same lies and data that the democratic administration believed before Bush you mean? If it's that bad let's get the impeachment underway and let's see the evidence. Otherwise we might as well be a bunch of creationists believing what we're told.I don't think history will let the Bush administration off the hook for Iraq, but those books aren't written yet. We'll have to see. In the meantime we're all sitting around the table hoping someone else picks up the check. Congress has authorized the expenditures made. It is our debt and bitching about who ordered the lobster ain't gonna change it.

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When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

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The Taliban and similar religious nutjobs need to be crushed.

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And the US did. The US crushed the Taliban and similar religious nutjobs. And they were replaced by people who are now doing exactly the same thing. The US managed to liberate...Kabul. Kind of. And now people in the US government involved in Aghanistan are admitting (in whispers right now) that military force isn't working out too well, and eventually we are going to have to accept and make deals with...the Taliban. So what did Bush accomplish exactly?-

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I'm a tolerant person but I would rather see dead murderers than more victims.

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And now we have both! We have dead murderers and more victims. Some of these victims were killed by US forces. And the dead murders are being replaced by more murderers. What is being accomplished?-

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The day they stone a rape victim or hang a 14 year old for being gay is the day I'll know we lost not only the war, but our very soul.

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The war was a loser from the start then. There is no way this kind of war is going to prevent stoning rape victims or hanging 14 year old gay boys. The way we lose our souls is when we constantly advocate for policies that are known from the beginning to ineffectual, show through practice to be counter-productive, and advocate continuing the same policies that are themselves killing lots of innocent people.

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Kings were put to death long before 21 January 1793. But regicides of earlier times and their followers were interested in attacking the person, not the principle, of the king. They wanted another king, and that was all. It never occurred to them that the throne could remain empty forever. -- Albert Camus

There is no doubt that all of us will have to pay for it but it was Bush that spent OUR money. No, that is NOT what I mean. The lies only started after BUSH came to power, the lies used to justify invading Iraq.The Iraq War so far has cost us over $340,000,000,000.00, (that is Brazillions for those that only understand BushMatheMatics), or about $3000.00 for each and every household in America. And the meter is still running.We need to remind folk of this, not because of the financial burden that it places or to explain why the Democrats (or any honest Republican if we could ever find one again) but because the lies were obvious and the plan obviously flawed. The errors were glaring and only willful ignorance allowed the lies to believed.We need to remind people of this so that in the future, I hope Americans will actually think abut what they are being told and NEVER allow what happened under the Bush Administration to go unchallenged.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The people blamed them. That is different from the GOPs blaming themselves. But there were still significant numbers of republicans that haven't seen that their party failed because their policies were faulty.AND they have yet to publically recognize that it was their fault: their mistaken policies, their lack of oversight, their failure. Well then I don't need to wait two years to see if you think the Democrats "hit one out of the ballpark" as the goalposts have already been moved (to mix mangled metaphors).

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prof·li·gate - adj.
1. Given over to dissipation; dissolute.
2. Recklessly wasteful; wildly extravagant.

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warmongering - noun
a policy of advocating war [syn: war advocacy]

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un·con·trolled - adj.
Not under control, discipline, or governance.

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o”ver”spend - verb, -spent, -spend”ing.
1. to spend more than one can afford: Receiving a small inheritance, she began to overspend alarmingly.
2. to spend in excess of: He was overspending his yearly salary by several thousand dollars.
3. to spend beyond one's means (used reflexively): When the bills arrived, he realized he had foolishly overspent himself.

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I'll give you "unmanaged" as a word creation to mean the failure (either by intent or by disregard) to manage:

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man”age - verb, -aged, -ag”ing.
1. to bring about or succeed in accomplishing, sometimes despite difficulty or hardship: She managed to see the governor. How does she manage it on such a small income?

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Are you saying these are not accurate descriptions of the Botch administration?And if they are accurate descriptions (which I believe it is based on the evidence before me) then is it really name-calling or is it really just descriptive? The day we can't make fun of politicians is either a very good day or a very bad day. The first is highly unlikely, the second something to worry about.But I agree that the problem is that people forget that they are supposed to laugh at those silly jokesters like Limbaugh and Colter and Hannity and ...Sorry, but I'll take Jon Stewart any daily.Enjoy.

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