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Determining a book's truth.

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Message 17 of 161 (365382)
11-22-2006 1:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 16 by Juraikken
11-22-2006 12:46 PM

Re: Answers
Juraikken writes:
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if some of it is fake, then ALL of it is fake!
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That makes no sense at all.
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If a Connecticut Yankee never travelled to King Arthur's Court, does that mean the city of London doesn't exist? If there never was a Tom Joad, does that mean there is no Route 66? No California? No migrant workers? If Hitler never wrote a diary, does that mean World War Two didn't happen?
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It's a lazy mind that insists on all or nothing. It takes some effort to figure out what parts of any book are "true" and which are not.
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06-13-2007 12:14 AM 		Reply to: Message 36 by Psalm148
06-12-2007 11:50 PM

Psalm 148 writes:
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... I think the Bible has to be an "all or nothing" deal. Because if some is true and some isn't, how do you pick and choose?
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The same way you would decide what is true or false in any other book: by comparing it with reality. For example, in reality the Flood never happened. So, if you insist on "all or nothing", it must be nothing.
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Who's to say what right and what's not?
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Anybody who looks at it honestly.
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06-13-2007 5:17 PM 		Reply to: Message 39 by Psalm148
06-13-2007 4:31 PM

Hi, Psalm148,
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If you click the little green reply button at the bottom of a post, you can reply to a specific post and poster. I'm going to assume that some of this post was directed at me.
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If all scripture is not given by God, than apparently this statement is false.
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Stop and think for a minute. When the epistles to Timothy were written, what was "Scripture"? The New Testament didn't exist yet.
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Who's then to say what else this author may have said that was false, because apparently if that is the case then we cannot always trust his words.
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The answer is still the same: Anybody who reads anything honestly can (and must) decide for himself which parts of it are accurate and which parts are not. We should never, ever, under any circumstances trust anybody's words without checking them against reality.
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As for the flood, as of so far I believe that it happened, but I have not done personal research on it.
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We have a whole forum on the Flood. There's a lot of research done for you there and a lot of links to more research.
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If some of the things said in the Bible are false, then we cannot guide ourselves by it.
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If some of it is false, why insist that all of it is false? Besides being bad logic, that's a very sad outlook. As with anything in life, take the good and leave the bad.
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If you can't tell what's good and bad, no book is going to do it for you.
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06-19-2007 2:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 93 by Equinox
06-19-2007 1:30 PM

Equinox writes:
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Jesus says before the cock crows twice, not before the cock crows once.
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Just as an aside, Mark's "twice" is a nice little dramatic touch.
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Peter denies Jesus once and the cock crows. He has a warning, a second chance to do right. (In the movie, there would be a close-up of Peter hearing the cock crow and not putting two and two together - good acting required there.)
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Then he denies Jesus two more times and the cock crows again. This time he twigs.
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Drama, not history.
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06-21-2007 11:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 103 by Psalm148
06-21-2007 11:17 PM

Psalm148 writes:
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What did he preach? What was different than what the chosen people already knew?
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Nothing.
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What does that have to do with determining a book's truth?
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