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crashfrog

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Message 29 of 161 (403189)
06-01-2007 9:55 AM

Reply to: Message 26 by tcroth01
06-01-2007 3:19 AM

Re: Reasons to Trust Bible as the Truth

When we make an examination of the bible it can be seen that it is inspired by God.

Which Bible? It's a little ridiculous to pretend like there's only one.

For example, the hundreds of prophecies recorded over centuries and their fulfillment.

There is no more fulfilled prophecy in the Bible than there is in any other holy book; even the ancient Greeks understood that "fulfilled prophecy" was a mug's game, because nearly any prophetic statement can be retrodacted (re-interpreted after the fact) to appear to match current events.

How would the bible writers separated by hundreds of years collude such information that is wonderfully harmonious over thousands of years?

They didn't; you're overlooking your own participation in the process. You're simply re-interpreting the "prophecies" in light of current events you already know about. Everybody who's ever tried to interpret the "prophecies" of the Bible to predict things that hadn't happened yet - like the Christians who predicted the end of the world in 1600 - have been spectacularly wrong.

There's no valid prophecy in the Bible. The way you re-interpret it, you could find accurate "prophecy" in nearly any source. Hence, the prophecies of Nostradamas, or "The Bible Code" (which, not so strangely, could only find "predictions" of things that had already happened.)

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Message 101 of 161 (406670)
06-21-2007 6:39 PM

Reply to: Message 100 by Psalm148
06-21-2007 6:31 PM

The first Bible printed (as far as I know) was the KJV

The first printed Bible was the Gutenberg Bible, printed by Johannes Gutenberg, the inventor of the movable type printing press. He printed a version of the Latin Vulgate bible in 1452.

The King James Bible, one of the first English translations of the Bible, wasn't authored until the reign of King James of England, in about 1611.

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Message 109 of 161 (406769)
06-22-2007 9:28 AM

Reply to: Message 104 by Psalm148
06-21-2007 11:39 PM

One thing I want to say about translations/canons/whateveryouwantocallthem, if you were to ask someone, and I mean your everyday Joe, what the bible was, I don't think they would spew things out like "the latin vulgate" or "Milan's approved version", they would do a number of options:
1. look at you like, why are you asking this? Its like asking whats a horse
2. They don't know what a bible is and as such can't answer.
3. They would probably just say "its the bible" if asked for more specifics, you'd probably get an answer like "the kjv"

If what you're saying is that the average Christian is phenominally ignorant about what's held to be the foundational text of their religion, then yes, I agree completely. A considerable number of people are not aware that the Bible was not originally written in English.

There's a reason that the Bible is responsible for producing so many atheists. A lot of people are astounded to find that the content of the Bible is completely inconsistent with Christianity and morality as they experience it.

Something I've noticed is that you don't find a whole lot of other kinds in everyday places.

I'm not sure where you live, but the King James Version is the Bible I'm least likely to encounter at any given time. Churches invariably use the NIV or the NASB. Most people find the KJV nearly impossible to read

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Message 152 of 161 (407354)
06-25-2007 9:37 PM

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06-25-2007 9:28 PM

There's no evidence those people existed.

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Message 161 of 161 (407601)
06-27-2007 12:33 AM

Reply to: Message 159 by Psalm148
06-26-2007 11:48 AM

Re: Final

We know that one Jesus of Nazareth lived. Apparently he died as well.

Well, shit! That proves how unique he was, wasn't it?

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