Fulfilled Prophecy

NJ explaining: OK, the phrase "none of them exonerate that behavior" threw me from your real intent as I sure have seen a lot of attempts among those listed, especially when first caught. That is, provided they actually managed to repent of their sins against at least some of the 10 commandments in the first place.Why are 'fundies' generally not known for chastising such behaviour in their allies? Why have these false prophets not been universally condemned by such "true" believers?Is the moral guidance provided through Biblical literalism and inerrancy so weak?Why?

A burden given to Archer Opterix concerning fundamentalists.I predict that between now and the year 2030, surprising new events will happen, surprising new discoveries will be made, and surprising new stuff will be invented.I further predict that between now and the time the surprising events, discoveries, and stuff happen, are made, or are invented, the fundies won't see it coming any more than any other segment of the general public.I further predict that after the surprising events, discoveries, and stuff happen, are made, or are invented, the fundies will be saying they knew it all along because their Bible foretold it.The passages they cite will be taken out of context. None will actually mention the events, discoveries, and things the fundies claim. Yet the fundies will not only insist that their interpretation is obvious, they will stigmatize as immoral anyone who doesn't understand the passages as they do. Logically they will be casting the same moral aspersions on all persons in our own time, including all of today's fundies. Including their present selves.This is a prediction you can take to the bank. Revisit this message two decades from now and you will find every word fulfilled.__

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

You forgot: there will be war and rumors of war.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

Have you tried looking in Utah?

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there is disagreement, and there is declaring anything refuting your point to be off-topic, sticking your fingers in your ears, and shouting "lalalalalala!"i respect disagreement. it is the soul of debate, and debate is the key to understanding and learning. i would not be here if i did not think this way. but continually say things that are so easily demonstrated to be inaccurate, after so much evidence has been given to you that it is in fact wrong, and then behave as bux often has in the past... i can't see that as simple difference in opinion. he does not want to learn or understand. he wants to evangelize. yes, i have been known to do so simply for the sake of argument on many occasions. i often espouse ideas i don't even agree with, simply to test the worth of other peoples' arguments. i have to test them somehow.but that wasn't what i meant. i meant that i'm an art student. we're all full of bs; it's part of the job description. ever tried to write a paper about why a painting is important or good? bs. let me tell you. because "i like it" doesn't cut it, you need to find some intellectual-sounding mumbo-jumbo to make your view sound important. i just mean to say that i do not take myself seriously, except on a few issues. i agree that there is right and wrong. that's actually one of the reasons i'm taking exception to this model of prophecy. it seems to contend that there is no "right" way of reading it, and that we can apply it to anything we chose. for horoscopes, this may be true, but for biblical prophecy it just is not. the prophets always meant something specific, even in their metaphorical passages, and the meaning is generally fairly clear (with a few notable exceptions). not analagous at all. there is no debate that bible was written by intelligent entities with set intentions and meanings. and the clarity of the thoughts of those authors is rather hard to miss, with decent translation and some degree of reading skill. touche. i don't especially want to get into revelation, because it is the one major counter-example to my principle about the clarity of the text. revelation is downright mysterious and cryptic. and to tell you the truth, i don't know what it means. visions often are. but prophecy is something specific, delivered (often orally) to the masses, in rather concrete terms. visions are often the source for prophecy (among other things i'm sure) but are not themselves the message. prophecy is not coded; visions are.

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yup.it surprisingly as more merit than any of theirs. vague truisms before the fact are worth more in terms of prediction than weasling after the fact.

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no, just south africa and ethiopia. although, those lds-folk might have some claim -- wandering out into the desert in search of a promised land is certainly a very jewish thing to do.

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don't you mean on reservations?

yes and the KJV is a corrupt translation and tries to perpetulate lies sorry you are just wrong and so is the KJV, its a bad translation of a translation
http://www.biblicalresources.info/pages/isaiah/immanuel.html
a nice explaination of what it means
Isaiah 8:10 ("Take counsel together, but it will come to nothing; Speak the word, but it will not stand, For God is with us").
and the child is of isaiah not ahaz, he would be a sign from god, that god is with ahaz and israel aganst his foes why is this even relevent? its just a bunch of scripture glued togathe and renders it meaningless without context why is this relevent? thats nice but 'god is with us' is what immanuel means, are you going to argue with a whole nation of people who know thier own nameing convention and 4 thousand years of biblical history? did i say anyone couldn't god created us, we are all sons of god or daughters as well, of course people need to explain to me how jesus is the only son of god, since theres a lot of people called son of god in the bible

Its said that were all biological sons of God thru Adam being created by God but Christians when they are spiritually reborn become the sons of God thru Christ because Christ is spiritually the Son of God, The Word, the only begotten of the Father(true light of true light).The Gospel of John explains that he is the Word that the only begotten of the Father was sent and that he was not of this world and that those that are spiritually reborn of God in Christ are not of this world but in this world.This is why the Virgin birth satisfies the Lords geneologies going thru Nathan that biologically The Lord Jesus is the son of David going thru Nathan. The biological blood line expressed in Luke is not a contradiction but a confirmation of Genesis that Jesus was made of a woman. The seed of a woman as expressed in genesis and galatians but that does not mean he is not the son of Joesph but only that he is not the biological son of Joesph.He is the son of Joesph thru Joesph marriage to Mary but his biological genes however goes thru Mary. Galatians confirms that he was made of a Woman and scripture in Genesis too refers to the seed of the woman. It was a virgin birth, etc...This is how the Lord Jesus is the rightful heir to the throne of David thru Solomon by his adoption by Joesph but that his biological blood line goes thru Nathan to his being the son of David. Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

The Lords geneologies goes thru Nathan and not Solomon to David is due to Gods anger with Solomon He was adopted by Joesph his biological genes go thru Nathan, matthews genologies and lukes geneologies do not conflict but confirm that the virgin birth prophecy was fullfilled.--------------------------The Genealogies of Jesus Christ:Not FoundEdited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

Being adopted, although a admirable act, does not mean that the adopted child has your blood. The messiah is to be of Davud's bloodline, and there is no way to link Jesus to the BLOOD of David. Which is no good.The prophecy goes though Solomon, so the author of matthew's gospel has effectively negated jesus' claim to messiahship. Only one problem of many I may add. The virgin birth prophecy in Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in Isaiah 8: It will overflow all its channels,
run over all its banks

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and sweep on into Judah, swirling over it,
passing through it and reaching up to the neck.
Its outspread wings will cover the breadth of your land,
O Immanuel There he is, right before your eyes, Immanuel, whose name means God with us, not in person of course, but God is with us in purpose. But, as you can see, Immanuel has already been born, being the subject referred to by the 'your' in 'your land'.Isn't it amazing how easy it is to rip the Bible apart and show that Jesus was no messiah?All you have to do is read the Bible and think a little for yourself.Also, as I never tire of telling some Xians, Isaiah 7:14 is not even a messianic prophecy. Why not study Jusdaism for a bit, then reassess the NT?I asked earlier, and you perhaps missed it, but who was the virgin in the Book of Isaiah that gave birth to a son? (clue: isaiah 8:3)Brian.

Mahershalahashbaz is a different prophecy was fullfilled when Assyria took the riches of Damascus and the spoil of Samaria was taken away before the king of Assyria.The reference to O Immanuel is that even though Assyria overfilled the breath of the land that God was with them.Mahershalahashbaz was warned not to take counsel against this prophecy for it would not stand for God was with them.Mahershalahashbaz is being warned not to walk in the ways of this people. Instead to Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself, and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.And he shall be for a sanctuary but a rock and an offence to both the houses of Israel for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. And I will wait upon the Lord that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him.kjv Isaiah 9:17 Therefore the Lord shall have no joy in their young men, neither shall have mercy on their fatherless and widows: for every one is an hypocrite and an evildoer, and every mouth speaketh folly. For all this his anger is not turned away, "but" his hand is stretched out still.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

Hi Mike. It's also unfair for my counterpart skeptics to essentially cancel out the very words of the text which I've shown to apply to a number of other nations than Ninevah, infact the entire world, naming them by text quote, all the way from chapter one verse 2 through chapter 2 verse 8. LOL, they choose not to believe, no matter what empirical documentation the prophecy advocate produces. Why? Because for any of them to admit to even one tiny miracle would be to destroy their secularist mindset.Not only that but they totally ignore the fact that many of the events of chapter one of Nahum have never been fulfilled and that I posted near verbatum (abe: equivalant) events also prophesied in the book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible which have yet to be fulfilled. If they were rational in their responses, they would admit that if it could not have possibly have applied to the city of Ninevah, that introductory segment of the book had to apply to the named groups of the text being debated. Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

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