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Author Topic:   General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 9.0
Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 195 of 301 (379004)
01-22-2007 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by PaulK
01-22-2007 4:54 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
That is an obvious misrepresentation, Ray. I stated that continued and repeated denial of an obvious objective truth was a sign of mental illness. Whereas you have claimed hat people who disagree with your opinion are mentally ill.
Nope.
You and Dan Carroll said anyone who does not agree with you are mentally ill.
Why have you lied?
Is it because that you know that the Mods will let you get away with it?
Ray
Edited by Herepton, : No reason given.

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Message 203 of 301 (379035)
01-22-2007 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by PaulK
01-22-2007 5:05 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
PaulK writes:
I said no such thing.
previously PaulK writes:
http://EvC Forum: General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 9.0 -->EvC Forum: General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures 9.0
I know what he's like. And I argue that they are evidence of mental illness, not dishonesty.
You are left with two choices:
1. Admit
or
2. Lie some more and insult everyones intelligence.
You should admit, PaulK.
Ray

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Message 204 of 301 (379036)
01-22-2007 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 201 by crashfrog
01-22-2007 6:16 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Hilarious!
The exact situation I referred to, which people thought was so unlikely it could never occur, is occuring in this very thread. Thanks, Herp!
Straw man.
Ray

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Message 208 of 301 (379044)
01-22-2007 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by NosyNed
01-22-2007 6:38 PM


Re: Precise statements
No where did PaulK say that it was a sign of mental illness to disagree with him.
Yes, that is exactly what he is saying. Take off your blinders and stop acting like you don't see or know it.
Ray

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Message 209 of 301 (379045)
01-22-2007 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by NosyNed
01-22-2007 6:38 PM


Re: Precise statements
As PaulK told you he said that when someone denies an obvious, objective truth (in the particular case what was written in plain Engish at TO) that is evidence of a mental illness.
You are mistaken; this was PaulK's opinion and to imply that disagreement with his opinion to be a sign of mental illness is irrational and a sign of mental illness or wickedness ("but I rather not consider that").
Ray

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Message 248 of 301 (379246)
01-23-2007 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by arachnophilia
01-22-2007 8:09 PM


two different Darwinists writes:
personally think that the board has been better without Faith.
less interesting, though. i know i've participated less.
The board is not better off with opposition to the status quo gone. Unless, of course, your ideology is third-world.
Faith is gone because she made the "mistake" of giving you Darwinists a taste of your own medicine, which you could not handle.
yeah? let's ask ray.
ray, nemesis_juggernaut gets along nicely with the people here, debates rationally with evolutionists. do you consider him a creationist?
Unfortunately, I have not had the pleasure of acquainting myself with NJ's posts. Based on what is written above he has decided not to give you a taste of your own medicine.
Ray
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Message 249 of 301 (379247)
01-23-2007 3:40 PM
Reply to: Message 243 by Quetzal
01-23-2007 10:32 AM


Re: What would you have us do?
Quetzal writes:
As to the Showcase forum, as you know I have been opposed to the concept since its inception. Ban the irredeemable, don't put them in a cage for people to gawk at. On this subject, I disagree with Percy - and think his rationalization (that it provides a "worst of the worst" example), is, hmmm, a bit weak. However, I simply refrain from participating in that forum in any way. As long as Percy believes there is some utility in it, it's his board to run as he wishes. There isn't a single denizen of that forum that I wouldn't have permanently banned for flagrant and continual guidelines violations.
[colorization emphasis mine - Ray]
The experts of history (Marx, Engels, Mao, Stalin, Hussein, Castro etc.etc.) all agree: censorship and banishment works.
Ray

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Message 253 of 301 (379266)
01-23-2007 4:40 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Quetzal
01-23-2007 4:11 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
They undoubtedly did. However, as noted in the section you so kindly bolded for everyone to read, I pointed out that I would have banned all and sundry for repeated forum violations, not for the positions they espoused.
I agree that you cited "repeated forum violations" and never did I deny your stated reason, I, in fact, pasted your entire comment.
Mao, Stalin and Hussein gave the same reasons for censorship and banishment (they violated rules/laws) when we know for a fact that the censorship was over "dangerous viewpoints."
You have no point or ground to stand on. You are advocating third-world censorship of your Creationist opponents.
It's not what you say, Ray, it's how you - and the others - have proven repeatedly that you are incapable of civil discourse.
We (= Creationists) only need to point out that our censors are Darwinists then all is explained.
Ray

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Message 258 of 301 (379276)
01-23-2007 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by jar
01-23-2007 4:55 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
And just how are you being censored? Who has restricted what you can post? What limits have been placed on what you can say in the showcase?
This comment acts like the author does not know that restriction to a certain forum which is labelled and touted as penal in nature is not censorship.
We could only wonder if roles were reversed if the same author would retain this "view."
However, I am not offended at all by being incarcerated in the Showcase Forum. Objective persons know the real reason why certain Creationists are sequestered by Darwinists.
Ray

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Message 260 of 301 (379281)
01-23-2007 5:30 PM
Reply to: Message 259 by jar
01-23-2007 5:23 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Censorship is being denied the right to say or write something.
And it is being denied freedom to say it where everyone else has the freedom to say it.
Ray

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Message 263 of 301 (379285)
01-23-2007 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Quetzal
01-23-2007 5:06 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
If it makes you feel better, I would never have forced you into a cage for the edification of the plebes. I would have done the honorable thing and booted your ass off the board completely.
Good-honest anger.
20th century atheist eastern European and southeast Asia regimes booted their opponents into oblivion and graves too. It appears education has not quenched the atheist mindset; Quetzal is simply advocating what atheists in current history have always advocated.
Ray

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Message 265 of 301 (379291)
01-23-2007 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by crashfrog
01-23-2007 5:45 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Could you substantiate your assertion that Quetzal has, at any time, advocated for you to be killed?
Quetzal advocated that I be banned from posting on this board, which is equivalent to being "killed" (= unable to post).
Ray

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Message 267 of 301 (379294)
01-23-2007 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by jar
01-23-2007 5:35 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
LOL
No Ray, it is not.
You are free to say anything you want. There is NO censorship of what you can say, and no one is restricted from reading anything you post.
So again Ray, what limits are being placed on what you can say?
You are mistaken. Nobody said showcase had restrictions on speech; rather the same is a restriction on speech since inmates cannot have access to the same microphone as everyone else.
Siberia is not Moscow.
Ray

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Message 270 of 301 (379299)
01-23-2007 6:05 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by crashfrog
01-23-2007 5:58 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
Can you substantiate your assertion that Quetzal has, at any time, advocated for you to be killed? Literally put to death, as you asserted?
I never said what you have me saying. How is it that you have the ability to follow complicated scientific arguments in journals but cannot retain the lesser ability when the point is one you do not like?
Can you substantiate your assertion that being banned from EvC forum is the equivalent of physical death?
Misrepresenting the point = unable to refute.
Ray

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Message 274 of 301 (379305)
01-23-2007 6:29 PM
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01-23-2007 6:04 PM


Re: What would you have us do?
In showcase you actually are treated better than the rest of us. You get to approve who posts in the threads and you can have posters removed for the slightest perceived slight.
Would you retain the same belief if roles were reversed?
Ray

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