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Hyroglyphx
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Message 16 of 95 (401570)
05-20-2007 6:44 PM
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05-20-2007 5:47 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
And Christians are so fond of slinging shit at atheists.

As with most anything else, that goes in both directions Tudwell.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/


"God is like the sun. You can't look at it. But without it you can't look at anything else." -G.K. Chesterton
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Message 17 of 95 (401573)
05-20-2007 6:55 PM
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05-20-2007 6:28 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
"God is like the sun. You can't look at it. But without it you can't look at anything else." -G.K. Chesterton

Actually, science has shown us how to look at the sun, and how to analyze it, determine its origin, and predict its demise. And now, science is doing the same thing with 'god'.


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bluegenes
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Message 18 of 95 (401576)
05-20-2007 7:36 PM
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05-20-2007 6:14 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
nemesis writes:

Europe is nearly all secularized, and of those people that aren't, the "believers" tend to be very lukewarm and ill-informed about what they believe in. In other words, many of them believe in God because the just kind of grew up in it. In nearly all of European cities, the large ornate cathedrals are now defunct, especially in places like Caimbridge. Most of them have been converted to museums or art galleries. At most, they serve as step into the past mindset of that particular country or city.

Are you very familiar with Europe?

Cambridge's large ornate Cathedral is not defunct, nor will it ever be, because Cambridge is not a Cathedral city, and it doesn't have one. Its medieval buildings are very much alive and well, and they function largely for their original purposes, as university buildings, including the college chapels, one of which has a famous choir.

The nearest Cathedral cities that I can think of are Ely and Norwich, and their Cathedrals certainly function for their original purposes, as do all the British Cathedrals. They all have congregations, Bishops, Deans, canons, choirs and choir schools, and all the trappings. Not one single one of them has been converted to a museum or art gallery, although they certainly cater for the inevitable tourism, and that helps to maintain the buildings, and will certainly continue to help long after Christianity dies out.

We still maintain Stone Henge, remember, and other pre-Christian places of worship.:)

In other European countries, I think that the situation's similar.

The secret of this is is that population levels are much higher than they used to be, so that although only five percent of us evil Brits are regular churchgoers, that's probably still as many people as used to live around these cathedrals when they were built.

I'm almost certain that will happen, since my "superstition" has already prophesied about a great apostasy that will come upon most of the world in the latter days.

So if you're one of these end-timers, you should surely be discouraging other people from following your beliefs, rather than the opposite. Join me in encouraging the apostasy, then the great ending you hope for can take place.

Education is different from indoctrination. It would be well with us all to know the difference.

Oh, irony of ironies!

It feels wonderful and disheartening all in the same breath, friend. Wonderful because I know the Truth, disheartening because other people resist it.

If we didn't resist this "truth", then the prophecy of a great apostasy couldn't come true, could it? You can't have it both ways.:)

Edited by bluegenes, : typo!


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Message 19 of 95 (401592)
05-20-2007 8:42 PM
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05-20-2007 1:21 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
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The hilarious thing to me is that more atheists, arguably far smaller in number than theists, spend more time at Christian websites than Christians do. Now, why is that?

1) Athiests are more likely to have a computer.

2) Athiests are more likely to have a wide range of interests

3) Athiests are more likely to be able to handle exposure to viewpoints unlike their own and often seek them out.

3) Many, many, many Christian websites are unintentionally hilarious.


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nator
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Message 20 of 95 (401593)
05-20-2007 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Hyroglyphx
05-20-2007 6:14 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
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Europe is nearly all secularized, and of those people that aren't, the "believers" tend to be very lukewarm and ill-informed about what they believe in.

Funny, it is my understanding that Europeans tend to be much better educated and informed than Americans about world religions (and just about anything else, actually), since many European countries have mandatory religious education in schools.

Can you back up your claim?

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In other words, many of them believe in God because the just kind of grew up in it.

...and this is different from America how, exactly?

Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed quote


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Message 21 of 95 (401596)
05-20-2007 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
05-20-2007 6:28 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
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People with clout can only maintain secular ideas? That sounds a bit fascist don't you think?

I might have a superstitious idea that the Second Coming of Christ is going to happen in 2008, but only if certain world events happen. If I become President, would it be OK for me to enact policies designed to bring about those world events, even though they involve fomenting wars and dismantling environmental protection laws?

If not, why not? I would only be using my clout to further what I believe to be the most important event in history.

In addition, I'm irritated at how they indoctrinated me on unprovable dogma while growing up.

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Some say the same thing about evolution.

They say it about the moon landing and the Halocaust, too, but it doesn't make them right.

Atheists stalk Christian websites because they want to stop this regress of society. It also might be a form of amusement for them.

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And yet they don't stalk Hindu or Sikh websites. Why do you suppose that is? They all teach exclusivity just as Judeo-Christian worldview does. Why then are they more concerned with Judeo-Christian ideals?

Hindus and Sikhs don't try to convert me or anyone I know, and they don't tell me I'm going to hell for believing differently from them. They don't try to meddle in my sex life, my married life, or my education. They don't set themselves up as arbiters of morality only to have leader after leader be revealed as engaging in exactly the behaviors they condemn everyone else for.

It is the ignorance, arrogance, and hypocrisy all in one package, juggs.

Christians make it so incredibly easy. If they just didn't try to tell everybody else how to live they wouldn't get near the flak from Athiests they currently do.

But anyway, Christians enjoy all sorts of benefits and perks in this country that Athiests don't get just because they call themselves Christian. Stop whining becasue you aren't universally adored.

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But I've never really understood why nuns rapping kids on the knuckles translates into: There is no God.

It doesn't.

If you still don't know how athiests come to their disbelief after all this time, I don't think you are able to learn it.


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Message 22 of 95 (401597)
05-20-2007 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by bluegenes
05-20-2007 7:36 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
quote:
The nearest Cathedral cities that I can think of are Ely and Norwich, and their Cathedrals certainly function for their original purposes, as do all the British Cathedrals. They all have congregations, Bishops, Deans, canons, choirs and choir schools, and all the trappings.

Let's not forget little village churches, too!


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taylor_31
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Message 23 of 95 (401599)
05-20-2007 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
05-20-2007 6:28 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
Hello nemesis_juggernaut! You seem like a good guy and I look forward to discussing issues with you, if I can keep up. :)

nemesis_juggernaut writes:

So, you want to take away people's religious freedoms? People with clout can only maintain secular ideas? That sounds a bit fascist don't you think?

No, that's a horrible idea, and I didn't intend to communicate that message.

However, I am disappointed that mainstream America so readily accepts Christianity's wild doctrines. And I am discouraged that these wild doctrines hold such lobbying power in our secular government, to the suffering of the the rest of the people.

Of course, this doesn't give me the right to dictate what people think, but I can be disappointed.

nemesis_juggernaut writes:

Some say the same thing about evolution.

You mention people becoming indoctrinated into evolution. For me, it was exactly the opposite; I was raised a full-blood creationist. I had to be dramatically convinced into evolution. While evolution has strong evidence for it, I think that creation simply has an archaic assumption.

nemesis_juggernaut writes:

Why then are they more concerned with Judeo-Christian ideals?

Because the West is dominated by Christians, and the Western peoples probably have a greater access to the Internet. (I'm assuming on that claim.)

Also, our nation's political maneuvers are not being affected by Hindu claims. Christianity, on the other hand, is tremendously affecting our society.

nemesis_juggernaut writes:

I'm sorry you had a bad experience growing up. It always pains me to hear that, whether its wholly true, by their own design, or a slight/gross embellishment. But I've never really understood why nuns rapping kids on the knuckles translates into: There is no God.

My experience wasn't horrible, at least not physically. (Mentally may be another story; "hell" raised some tragic scenes.) Rather, my chagrin is that my church deceived me on false claims, and discouraged any questioning of those claims.

It's not that they rapped my knuckles (metaphorically), but that they rapped them for false and bad reasons, and I believed every part of it.


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ohnhai
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Message 24 of 95 (401620)
05-20-2007 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Hyroglyphx
05-20-2007 1:21 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
What difference does it make either way if anyone votes? These polls are just for shits and giggles.

Intresting that you dismiss these polls as for 'Shits and giggles'when on overwhelming numbers the chrisitan POV is not up held. I wonder if your song would have been different has #1 or #3 been at 97% with 83k votes cast?

The poll caster's mistake in this case was putting the 'correct' option in the poll. (a rarity for a Christian Site) as the news spread and the un-faithfull rocked up for a look-see, they felt compelled to vote.

While there are those who,not without reason, suspect a modicum of 'multiple postings', given the way the large numbers are comming in fit's and starts (as diferent websites and time zones discover this poll) I would not be surprised if the majority of these numbers were genuine.

After all are we not saying 'there are far more atheists out there tha n any of us susspect!'? Well here you go. A nother pebble for the hill of evidence.


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Message 25 of 95 (401654)
05-21-2007 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Hyroglyphx
05-20-2007 6:28 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
So, you want to take away people's religious freedoms?

No one said this. Can you show us where they did?

Some say the same thing about evolution.

Creationists hate 'evolutionists', 'evolutionists' hate creationists. They're like cats and dogs; of course they squabble. What is the significance of this?

That's alright. I charge Christians with the bulk of the damage to Christ. But I'm not here to follow Christians, I'm here to follow Christ.

Up to whom is it for determining what is a Christian?

But I've never really understood why nuns rapping kids on the knuckles translates into: There is no God.

Where did anyone say this was their reason for rejecting God and/or becoming Atheists/Agnostic?

Jon


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Message 26 of 95 (401658)
05-21-2007 1:58 AM
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05-20-2007 11:21 PM


Re: Uncovering the psychology of the post-modernist
Well here you go. A nother pebble for the hill of evidence.

Evidence for what?


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Message 27 of 95 (401669)
05-21-2007 8:35 AM
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05-19-2007 11:40 PM


If the poll is accurate, then this has been a wake-up call for Christians, and continues to be.
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Message 28 of 95 (401674)
05-21-2007 9:21 AM
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05-21-2007 8:35 AM


Why?

I voted in the poll and saw nothing unreasonable in the results.


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Message 29 of 95 (401731)
05-21-2007 6:58 PM


ooops. Silly people looks like they have removed the poll at 97% and 83431 votes .

But worry not. We have WELL documented. tis probably turn out embarrassing for them....

Edited by ohnhai, : No reason given.


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Message 30 of 95 (401743)
05-21-2007 9:03 PM
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05-21-2007 6:58 PM


Once again it shows that Biblical Christian Evangelicals are simply LIARS.
By pulling the poll and posting the divorce poll as their most recent one, "Christianity Today" has simply shown without a doubt that they are LIARs and their product is dishonesty and fraud.

Thanks "Christianity Today" for your total immorality and deceit.


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