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Message 265 of 316 (406741)
06-22-2007 4:44 AM

Reply to: Message 263 by ringo
06-22-2007 1:51 AM

Re: Re-Genesis 1:1 and 1:6-8

(By the way, trying to suppress discussion adds nothing to your non-existent argument.)

I was not trying to suppress discussion. I was trying to find out if you could read something and give an honest answer and you proved that you are incapable of doing so.

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Message 288 of 316 (406926)
06-23-2007 12:09 AM

Reply to: Message 285 by happy_atheist
06-22-2007 8:24 PM

Re: Re-Genesis 1:1 and 1:6-8

formless implies more than just desolate.

If there was no land visible because it was covered with water would that not mean it was formless.

There was no land anywhere only water.

God said:

Gene 1:9 (KJV) And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Gene 1:10 (KJV) And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

There was nothing showing but water.
God gathered the water together in one place.
Dry land appeared in one place.
Geology : Plate Tectonics prove this statement.

God called the dry land earth but that was not refering to the planet earth only the dry land.

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Message 290 of 316 (406930)
06-23-2007 12:19 AM

Reply to: Message 286 by pbee
06-22-2007 8:34 PM

Re: Re-Genesis 1:1 and 1:6-8

Hi pbee,

You keep refering to limiting the scope of the discussion. That was done so we would not be going off in all directions and to just see wht he KJV says.

We are only 9 posts away from closing so why don't you start a thread and state what translations you want to use and and what you want to discuss.

The KJV of the Genesis creation account does not do justice to the original scriptures. Much of the arguments circling this discussion can be directly attributed to biblical translation issues.

In what way did they get it wrong?

You can explain it to us in the new thread.

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Message 293 of 316 (406941)
06-23-2007 12:51 AM

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06-22-2007 5:43 AM

Re: Re-Genesis 1:1 and 1:6-8

The only way for a person to live hundreds of years but it still be the same day is if the planet is tidaly locked with the sun (in the way that the moon is with the earth). That would be in total disagreement with science.

Man didn't live hundreds of years he only lived. The only 2 that is mentioned as dying was murdered.

At the time I am describing in Genesis 2:4-Genesis 4:26 There was no sun or moon as we know it. There was only light. There was no time as you and I know it. If you take time to read the words in the account you will not find any mention of age of anyone as you do in the generations found in Genesis 5:1 which says it goes with the man that was created in the likeness of God.

Gene 5:1 (KJV) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

This verse claims to be the generations of the man created in Genesis 1:26. 27.

Gene 2:4 (KJV) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

This verse claims to be the generations of the heavens and the earth created in Genesis 1:1.

The generations spoken of here conclude at Genesis 4:26.

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Message 294 of 316 (406943)
06-23-2007 12:57 AM

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06-23-2007 12:20 AM

Re: Re-Genesis 1:1 and 1:6-8

Stop just spouting nonsense.

Nonsense. A totally false statement. Land, dry land was all of the Earth long before any water could even exist on Earth.

Then you are asserting that the planet earth existed long before Genesis 1:2 which says is was formless and void.

If so I agree.

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Message 295 of 316 (406946)
06-23-2007 1:07 AM

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06-23-2007 12:11 AM

Re: about Genesis and God in general

Over the years, I always considered 'us' to be a discussion between Jesus and God. However, I would not be at all surprised if it was an announcement made before all of the angels at an appointed time.

In the beginning Elohim created the heaven and the earth.

Elohim is a plural word.

Elohim said let us make man in our image.

We are in the likeness of God. We have a flesh body, a mind, and a spirit.

There is God the Father. There is God the Son. There is God the Holy Spirit.

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Message 296 of 316 (406960)
06-23-2007 2:40 AM

Re-Final Post this thread

Ringo it has been educational if you did try my patience at times but you did cause me to study a lot as usual.

And believe it or not you can give an answer sometimes like:

Message 95

ICANT writes:

Does Genesis 1:1 say: "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"?

Ringo writes:

Yes.

ICANT writes:

Does Genesis 2:4 say: "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Ringo writes:

Yes.

ICANT writes:

Does Genesis 2:4 claim to have happened in the same day as Genesis 1:1?

Ringo writes:

Yes.

Message 112

ICANT writes:

Gen.5:1 notes a specific day in time. The same day as Gen.1:26-27.

Ringo writes:

Which is clearly a different time than Genesis 1:1. I don't see how you think that supports your point.

ICANT writes:

Gen.5:1 Does not refer to the specific time in Gen. 1:1.
Therefore the man in Genesis 5:1 does not belong in the same day as Gen. 1:1.

Ringo writes:

That's what I've been saying.

ICANT writes:

Gen.2:4-4:26 Does not refer to the specific time in Gen. 1:26-27.

Ringo writes:

You haven't shown that.

To Sum up:

Genesis 5:1 is the generations of the man in Genesis 1:26, 27.

Genesis 5:1 is not the same time as Genesis 1:1.

The man in Genesis 5:1 does not belong in the day of Genesis 1:1.

Genesis 2:4 does claim to be in the same day as Genesis 1:1.

That would prove my point that the man in Genesis 2:7 would belong in Genesis 1:1.

This proves that there was a creation in Genesis 1:1, and at a later date a re-creation in Genesis 1:2-Genesis 2:3.

According to the Literal Genesis Account of Creation in the first 5 chapters of Genesis in KJV Bible.

It has been truly educational and I want each of you to know I respect your views even though I think some of them are, oh well.

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Message 302 of 316 (407049)
06-23-2007 8:31 PM

Reply to: Message 298 by shiloh
06-23-2007 3:13 AM

Rei -6th day

Gen. 2:4 Is a parenthetical giving specifics about the day - Day 6. Verse 7 is talking about man - male and then how God created the female. In fact all of Ch.2 is day six.

Then since Genesis 2:4 is the generations of the heaven and the earth in the day the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, you are saying that the heaven and the earth was not created until the 6th day.

If the heaven and the earth was not created until the 6th day then where did God put all those animals, fowl, grasses, and trees?

Food for thought.

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Message 303 of 316 (407050)
06-23-2007 8:40 PM

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06-23-2007 3:13 AM

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shiloh,

You need to fix this post Message 298 The way you have it it looks as if everything was said by me.

Thanks, ICANT

If he don't get it fixed before close adminPD would you correct it for me.

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Message 305 of 316 (407055)
06-23-2007 9:23 PM

Reply to: Message 304 by shiloh
06-23-2007 9:11 PM

Re: Rei -6th day

I can not believe you actualy think I thought the heavens and the earth were not created until the sixth day - I hope you were being sarcastic.

No I was not being sarcastic.

Either the heaven and the earth did not exist until day six according to Genesis 2:4 or Genesis 2:4 is not covering day six.

[qs]Gene 2:4 (KJV) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, [b]in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,[/qs]

This plainly says: The day the earth and heaven was created.
It does not say in the day God created man in His likeness, which was day six.

And that is a fact shiloh.

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Message 309 of 316 (407072)
06-23-2007 11:51 PM

Reply to: Message 306 by jar
06-23-2007 9:52 PM

Re: Rei -6th day

Genesis 1:1 through the first half of Genesis 2:4 is one story.

Gene 2:4 (KJV) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created,[/qs]

You say this half of the verse goes with Gen. 1:1-Genesis 2:3.

Why is this the only instance where all the things of the generations come before the statement "These are the generations of..?

Why is the generations given in Genesis 5:1 the generations of the man created on day 6, if they have already been given.

Then, where would the generations of the man formed from the dust of the earth be?

And you accuse me of slicing and dicing.

What difference does it make to you what it says?

If it is only a myth you should be able to objectively look at what is written and come to an honest conclusion.

The aim of the thread: The Literal Genesis Account of Creation in the KJV Bible. No more, No less.

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