Proof for God's Non-existance?

God of the Jews? Isn't that a bit racist? It seems as though God is available to all people and not races as some would believe.

Nice twist. I guess it depends on what bible your quoting and who's quoting it. As I see it, the bible references God who took care of His people. In a time where tribes were indicative of peoples beliefs in contrast to religions today, there would of been God's people. But did He not carry out and tend to many different tribes and people? Furthermore... when Jesus came into the scene, he broke the mold further by extending compassion to all people regardless of their ethnicity.It would seem as though racism is carried on by people and not God as you claim.

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The God character has changed over time as mankind has changed. If we look at gods from other cultures we can also see that some changed over time.

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In my position, the people change the character. The character doesn't change itself.

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I believe there are fictional gods in wittings. Greek gods etc. However, as I mentioned in a previous comment, it is somewhat easy to identify them from the pile. I also believe there is only one God above all things and so obviously I will speak on behalf of this doctrine.As for your change, I have not seen any change over time where God's character is concerned. In fact, if anything, the scriptures have been quite consistent in demonstrating that God upheld His commands from the very beginning.So I guess that stands in favor of my argument.

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The God of the Bible goes from being a tribal god, but today you present God as a universal god.

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The Bible acknowledges the intimate association between God(YHWH) and the Israelite nation. But this is no reason to consider Him as a tribal god. The Israelites did not choose God, it was God who chose them to accomplish his purpose(to prepare the way for the Messiah).Furthermore, a tribal god’s destiny is bound up with that of its people. When the tribe is vanquished, the god too suffers defeat. This has not been the case with YHWH.God's covenant with Abraham centuries before the Christian era promised blessings for people of all nations, showing God’s interest in all mankind. The Israelite King David showed that God was proprietor of more than just the land and people of Israel.Further confirming the universalness of God's headship Paul wrote that there was no distinction between Jew and Greek, since they were all under the same God(Romans 10:12).

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The Jews gleaned 613 commands from the Torah. Some of those had death penalties, but that has changed.

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There were distinct phases within the Christian scriptures to depict God's plans for mankind. The transitions between these phases do not mean that God was swaying in His rule. We can confirm this since He carried His plans down to the letter.

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Christians have two commands from the NT or claim not to be under "the law".

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Are you referring to the Mosaic law? I think the scriptures are quite adamant in explaining that both sets of laws were designated for specific times and purposes. The first(Mosaic) was intended to carry God's people until the coming of Jesus. Once this event took place, people would fall under a new covenant. The entire process was carried out just as God commanded.

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The Bible is a compilation of various works by various authors. So it can't acknowledge anything.

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Well, there goes the public records system. That statement alone does not mean your right, it simply demonstrates your own refusal to acknowledge scriptural evidence as historical records. However, I think that the in question has proved to be a reliable source of information. Based on your approach, we would be discounting a great deal of written information.

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The YHWH character has suffered the defeats of Israel. The books that make up the OT are a testament to that.

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Can you show me the accounts to support this claim?

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You're summarizing what you feel or have been told the Bible says, but you're not showing me what reality shows us. You're not showing me that the God character is independent of the literature or the people.

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Not at all, my reasoning is based on scriptural research an evidence. I don't quite get what your asking in the final part of your statement though. If you are asking for proof that God exists then we would have to look at that problem from another perspective. The arrangement is presented in such a way that God came before the scriptures. The claim was recorded in the scriptures but the physical evidence was already there.

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Again you are showing me that a later author or authors have changed what the first author wrote. The Mosaic covenant itself doesn't support that conclusion.

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I doubt we will be pulling out any rabbits by laying out some form of proof what any of the scriptural contents have remained pure or intact over time. Then again, are we being realistic? The opening scriptures speak of a prophesy which depicted the coming of Christ who would redeem mankind from the sins of our original parents. Shortly after this, God issued laws for the people which would ensure that His plans were effectuated. Once the objective was met, the position between man and God was going to change, and a new set of laws would be given.Having said this, we have no proof of anything. Just as we have no proof that Timothy Vay wrote a book in 1943 and that it's contents have been preserved to this very day. Yet by observation and trials, Timothy's book proved to be a reliable source of information and so we continue to consider it as such.Likewise the scriptures have proven to be a reliable source of information. This in spite of the numerous claims within it. Additionally, the claims made by God within the scriptures do fall within our grasp to evaluate and the information openly available to scrutinize.So is God somehow by the scriptures? well we could say that, then again, there is no escaping the big question is there? Where did we come from? As long as this question exists, then God will exist. Edited by pbee, : typo's

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Then show the support, don't just say it. if you don't feel that God is a fictional character then show me that he functions independent of the literature or people. Show that he's not bound by authors or our minds.

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Is it not known that a man will grow to look up at the sky and ponder his origin and existence?
Is this phenomenon a characteristic of a book or an inherent trait?
It would seem that without ever telling someone, they would seek out the answers to the big question.It would seem as though humans are born with the characteristics to think about God. This is interesting, since it was written long ago that people were created to worship and serve their Creator(Ex. 20:2-5) Therefore, no matter how hard people try to dismiss God as a figment of imagination or some fairytale, God has a way of making His way back into our thoughts.Belief in God, as the expression is generally used in the world, does not necessarily mean ability to explain his existence or purpose. It merely stands for a conviction that there is a Creator. So I wonder now, where does this need come from? How can it occur without any influences or otherwise?God claimed He created everything. This is the first statement mentioned in the scriptures. We didn't need to know who God was or what He did. But the scriptures provide us with a means to get to know Him and His purpose. When you think about it, there is no need to run about arguing about this and that, since the God's claim alone is plenty to consider and evaluate.So now the question remains, who can prove that God did not create the universe as it was written? Who can come up with a formula that equates that of God and creation or... satisfies the question?

God made a claim. He created all things, therefore all things are accounted for. This is the evidence, now it's up to us to disprove it. Edited by pbee, : typo

So is this your way of saying we can never prove whether or not God created the heavens and the earth?

Alright lets play your game.
Word of mouth.
He claimed He made it and then told people how it was done.So are you ready to call Him a liar or look for more excuses to circumvent the obvious.

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pbee,

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This isn't a game or a chat line. This is a debate board.

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You made a vague claim with no support. I simply asked for support that the claim was made. Word of mouth isn't tangible evidence. You provided nothing to evaluate.

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Unless you plan on actually substantiating your statement, please don't respond to this post. The owner frowns upon posts that don't further the discussion and without substance there's nothing for me to address.

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Enough evading and babbling already, what about the evidence? Is anyone ever going to step up and acknowledge it, or are we going to continue finding ways to dance around it? The truth is quite obvious.... You have nothing! it's a bluff. People will talk out of their asses as though they possess some wild card or truth all the while, they have nothing.I brought you plenty to substantiate, look around you. I brought you evidence and you elude it with threats. Not impressive at all, what would really be impressive, is if someone actually addressed the obvious instead of finding ways to avoid it.The original poster asked to evaluate each piece of evidence and determine if the evidence is any good or not.We have evidence that God's claim is real(Existence). He created the heavens and the earth. It has been written and carried out from generation to generation for as long as we can calculate. It is all around us and even within us.So I ask quite simply, can anyone actually contradict this claim? Is anyone actually willing to evaluate the evidence that we do indeed exists and our origin remains a mystery? It's not so complicated is it?

Does it matter?

Well lets put things into perspective. I never claimed to create the heavens and the earth. Although, I did observe and scrutinize the recorded information.Based on scriptural evidence, I have concluded that the claim from the ancient Greek scriptures prove to be a a viable source of information on our origin and purpose. My angle is not whether it is true or false, but that it actually provides us with tangible evidence(existence). Which is actually something we can work with in opposition to the concept that we have nothing.As for other claims, I'm not discounting them. I suppose the appropriate thing to do would be to classify the information and evaluate it accordingly.

Why not! is that the extent of the creation account based on this entity?

Thats true.However, are we going to discount that they are claiming it was God the entity who inspired them to write the information? and what of the oldest information? It was said that it was God himself who authored it while humans penned it. Don't you think this is worth investigating?Of course we could treat the information and classify it in whatever way suits us. However, this is not evaluating the information is it? If the data was absolutely incredulous, then we would have little trouble treating it as such.

No, I am presenting the claim that a single God(entity) above all things created the heavens and the earth(all things). As it was written in the Greek scriptures. Originating from the ancient Hebrew Scriptures, the God(entity) calling himself YHWH who claimed supremacy over all things.The claim addresses where we came from, why we exist and how all things were created. It also provides us with information which covers where we are going and why things are the way they are. It also provided us with a host of verifiable accounts and facts to help establish its credibility.Thats the one I am talking about. Though I must admit, Nix looks interesting also.Edited by pbee, : No reason given.