EvC Forum: Divinity of Jesus

jar

Member (Idle past 425 days)

Posts: 34026

From: Texas!!

Joined: 04-20-2004

Normal Thread Display

Message 118 of 517 (433435)
11-11-2007 11:04 PM

Reply to: Message 117 by GDR
11-11-2007 11:02 PM

Re: On the Divinity of Jesus

I hear you saying what you don't believe. What is it that you do believe? Who was Jesus. Was He, is He, divine?

While Jesus lived among us he was NOT divine. Before his birth and post ascension he is and was divine.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
	Message 117 by GDR, posted 11-11-2007 11:02 PM		GDR has replied

Replies to this message:
	Message 119 by GDR, posted 11-11-2007 11:59 PM		jar has replied

jar

Member (Idle past 425 days)

Posts: 34026

From: Texas!!

Joined: 04-20-2004

Normal Thread Display

Message 122 of 517 (433492)
11-12-2007 9:00 AM

Reply to: Message 121 by GDR
11-12-2007 1:09 AM

Re: On the Divinity of Jesus

The point is that Jesus dying was not a sacrifice, nor was crucifixion some special type of suffering.

There are two things of importance here.

One is that if Jesus was divine then even death was just a sham. A God dying is simply a God pretending to die; a kids game.

Second, Jesus death was not a sacrifice. The idea that God could kill himself to pay himself some token that would allow God to the forgive mankind is just silly.

Finally, the idea of GOD actually becoming man, no longer GOD, not even God or god, but just man; that IS a sacrifice. GOD becoming flesh, dirty, smelly, often in pain, often unable to control even his own body; that is a sacrifice and lesson.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
	Message 121 by GDR, posted 11-12-2007 1:09 AM		GDR has replied

Replies to this message:
	Message 139 by GDR, posted 11-13-2007 12:15 AM		jar has not replied

jar

Member (Idle past 425 days)

Posts: 34026

From: Texas!!

Joined: 04-20-2004

Normal Thread Display

Message 127 of 517 (433522)
11-12-2007 12:37 PM

Reply to: Message 126 by Brian
11-12-2007 12:35 PM

Re: On the Divinity of Jesus

Not at all Brian. The Bible asserts a miracle.

Now it could well have been a miracle, or propaganda, or a mistake, or out right falsehood. But it does NOT imply that Jesus was not man born of woman.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
	Message 126 by Brian, posted 11-12-2007 12:35 PM		Brian has replied

Replies to this message:
	Message 128 by Brian, posted 11-12-2007 12:42 PM		jar has replied

jar

Member (Idle past 425 days)

Posts: 34026

From: Texas!!

Joined: 04-20-2004

Normal Thread Display

Message 133 of 517 (433552)
11-12-2007 2:15 PM

Reply to: Message 131 by Brian
11-12-2007 2:08 PM

Re: On the Divinity of Jesus

I asked if you knew of any humans that didnt have a biological father and you said "no".

Uh, no, that is not what you asked.

In Message 124 you asked:

brian in msg 124 writes:

How many humans do you know have no biological father?

I know no humans that do not have a biologic father.

Thus, as Jesus did not have a biological father, then he wasn't human.

Uh, no, that does not follow. As I pointed out in Message 127, there are several possible explanations.

Do you mean that Jesus was the only human without a biological father?

I don't know. Again, I pointed out several possibilities to you.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This message is a reply to:
	Message 131 by Brian, posted 11-12-2007 2:08 PM		Brian has replied

Replies to this message:
	Message 134 by Brian, posted 11-12-2007 2:29 PM		jar has replied

3 online now:	kjsimons, Minnemooseus (Adminnemooseus), PaulK
Newest Member:	ChatGPT
Post Volume:	Total: 916,916 Year: 4,173/9,624 Month: 1,044/974 Week: 3/368 Day: 3/11 Hour: 0/0