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JRTjr Member (Idle past 4336 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Chiroptera,
Only two problems I see, off the bat, with your Mudskippers. One, they are present day animals; they would have had to exist hundreds of millions of years ago to be transitions from fish to land animals. Two, they’re fully formed creatures, they have functional limbs. Where are the long lost ancestors that were the transitional forms from a fish to this Mudskipper? For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him should not perish (come to destruction, be lost), but have eternal (everlasting) life. For God did not sent the Son in to the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, But that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. John 3:16, 17 (Amplified Bible)
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 4336 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Jar,
I can not explain anything, to you, until you get out of the circular logic circle you’re in.
. the current Theory of Evolution explains evolution I find it necessary to repeat myself here, “ . the problem seams to be that you are only willing to look at our universe in a purely mechanical way. You assume that ”if it exists in this universe it must come from something (or someone) inside (and therefore bound by) this universe.’ Even quantum mechanics is telling you otherwise, and yet you refuse to listen.” Macro-Evolution does not have the explanatory power to account for many things we see in the things we call life. I have given examples but you just ignorer them; so why should I continue to discus it with you? For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him should not perish (come to destruction, be lost), but have eternal (everlasting) life. For God did not sent the Son in to the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, But that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. John 3:16, 17 (Amplified Bible)
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 4336 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Happy New Year Everyone
Dear Dr Adequate, I believe that you are finally starting to get the gist of what I am saying. You are quit correct in saying.
{What Evolutionist call}Transitional forms are always fully formed creatures . This is the gist of my point. My point being “”fully formed’ creatures, by definition, are not transitional forms”. I.E. you have life form ”A’ and life form ”B’. If life form ”A’ and life form ”B’ are fully formed where are the intermediates?; (the transitional forms) To say that life form ”B’ transitioned from life form ”A’ you must give some means by which this happened. For instance; if ”A1’, ”A2’, or ”A3’ are not viable then you’re never going to get to B. You have to show the mean by which new organs come into existence. For instance water breathing fish gills are totally different organs from air breathing lungs. Each is designed for different purposes; each has highly specialized parts that make it work the way it does. Yes, some of the parts may be interchangeable, but not all. How do you explain ”New parts’ that are not, and could not have been, part of the original organ? Adaptation (Micro-Evolution) only works for systems that are in place. I.E. A finch population’s (pre-existing) beak size and shape may vary over time to adjust to available food sources. However, this adjustability does not explain how the bird got the beak in the first place. To put it on a much simpler level, try to figure out what it would take to convert a Row Boat into a Model-T. O’ and don’t forget, you can’t use you brain to do this either. Remember, Evolution supposedly did it with out an intelligent Designer.
. which must, in order to be ancestral to anything at all, be able to function in its environment. Again, you’re starting to make sense here. So take this to its logical conclusion. Lets go to the genetic code. I do not have the exact figures right here in front of me, however, is it not true that errors in the genetic code are either ”Good’ ”Bad’ or ”Neutral’ (I.E. ”Good’ increasing the cells viability, ”Bad’ decreasing the cells viability, or ”Neutral’ make not difference in the cells viability) If memory serves me correctly the ”Bad’ errors out way the ”Good’ ones by something like 1,000 to 1. So if this were a dace, and the objective of the dace was to get to point ”C’ from point ”A’ and you were at point ”B’ you would have to take a thousand steps back toward point ”A’ before taking one step forward toward point ”C’. How far, then, do you think you would progress to point ”C’? Going back to the ”water breathing fish gills’ and the ”air breathing lungs’; if in fact a fish developed ”air breathing lungs’ there would have to be thousands, if not millions, of incremental steps each new generation would have to undergo before a fully formed ”air breathing lung’ became capable of actually filtering oxygen from the air. Each of these ”incremental steps’ would, in itself, not be viable and therefore would not have survived to pass on the new genetic information to continue the procession toward a new working organ (In this case a lug). For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him should not perish (come to destruction, be lost), but have eternal (everlasting) life. For God did not sent the Son in to the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, But that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. John 3:16, 17 (Amplified Bible)
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 4336 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Jar,
. when natural explanations such as the current Theory of Evolution explain things then there is no need to look beyond to some imaginary magic. There are two problems I see with this statement. First is that {Macro} Evolution doe’s not have the explanatory power that those who promote it ascribe to it. (I.E. They say that nature works this way, and yet the observable facts say it doesn’t.) Second, I am not promoting anything “imaginary” or “magical”. If I pick up a watch and ask “who made it” you do not have to assume I believe in fairies. As Spock once said, “Nothing unreal exists”. (I.E. If it exists it must be real.) God exists, He is real, there is logical, verifiable, evidence that He has operated in this universe to, not only, make a viable place for life to exist, but that He has formed life itself. No one has posted anything, that I have read, that contradicts these facts. Evidence, not opinion verifies facts and dislodged myth. The observable facts of nature show that life appeared (fully formed), that new kinds of life appeared (fully formed) at different times in geological history, and that this process of new kinds of life forms appearing has stopped (I.E. Variations of existing kinds pop up; however, ”new kinds’ of life are no longer appearing). Science tells us that even the simplest of single celled life forms are micro factories of unprecedented design. Where there is design there is a Designer.
As to your examples, so far they seem to have been refuted, not ignored. Again, saying that I am wrong, and proving it are two different things. If you’re offering up “ . the current Theory of Evolution explains evolution” as evidence that I am wrong then you have not given evidence of anything.
The topic still remains though, "scientific theories taught as factual." Do you plan to present an example related to the topic? Please read my post, this string, message #37. For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him should not perish (come to destruction, be lost), but have eternal (everlasting) life. For God did not sent the Son in to the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, But that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. John 3:16, 17 (Amplified Bible)
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 4336 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Chiroptera,
You claimed that there could not have been a transitional between land animals and fish because the transitional wouldn't be able to swim or to walk. I just showed that this is not true. I apologize; apparently I did not make my point clearly. Let me try again. When I said that they “wouldn't be able to swim or to walk” I meant that before the fin became a viable leg it would make a poor fin; therefore the creature would neither be able to walk nor swim. Maybe the fin to leg example does not get my point across clearly enough. If you go to my posting message #62 it give a better example of what I am talking about as far as transitioning from one organ to another. For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him should not perish (come to destruction, be lost), but have eternal (everlasting) life. For God did not sent the Son in to the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, But that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. John 3:16, 17 (Amplified Bible)
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JRTjr Member (Idle past 4336 days) Posts: 178 From: Houston, Texas, USA Joined: |
Dear Ringo,
Are you saying that the Model A and Fairlane weren't transitional? Thank you for your question. It is an excellent one. Answer: Yes, and No. No, not in the sense of unguided natural process like Evolutionist try to say happened. Yes, they were transitions; however, thousands of man hours went into the design of each new model. I.E. Intelligent men worked log hours to bring improved products. If you put that kind of time and effort into bring something into existence would you not want credit for it? For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him should not perish (come to destruction, be lost), but have eternal (everlasting) life. For God did not sent the Son in to the world in order to judge (to reject, to condemn, to pass sentence on) the world, But that the world might find salvation and be made safe and sound through Him. John 3:16, 17 (Amplified Bible)
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