the new and improved obama thread

this is design to discuss actual policy plans and candidate viability. for his policy plan, see his website The Office of Barack and Michelle Obama, and not fox news, pls.
here are the caucus results assumptions for this thread:
obama is a christian and not a muslim
obama is not running a front for bin ladin
obama is not going to purposely weaken america to terrorist attack.now that we've gotten past all that rubbish, what do you think of him as a candidate? do you think iowa will be a good representation of what might happen in the rest of the preliminary races? i heard some discussion on npr this morning about the percentages of different groups (youth, over 65, black, women, etc) but i can't find those numbers anywhere, can anyone help? do you think now that obama has proven himself a viable candidate, that he will be able to take the black vote back from hillary (who seems, by polling, to currently have it)?any other topics relating to the democratic primaries which are not personal attacks on various people are on-topic here. i ask for swift moderator action and hiding of comments not relevant to the discussion.

i wonder if many blacks will, too. i think that was the singular social question on the fresh prince (oh so long ago) was whether will's family was really black or not. it seems to be an issue of great controversy. is he trying to "act white" or is he just being a responsible, professional adult?

i sure hope not. it's not like huckabee has anything to offer them.

how did i bash him? what exactly does huckabee have to offer black people? specifically, what solutions does huckabee have for racial equality issues, or urban development problems, or underclass wage issues, or education access? what does huckabee have to help black people?

that's a big, fat if. which of course depends on this idea that they are as you claim anyways.

whatever you say.

when you don't have a response, call me a racist. good job. no. underclass issues are underclass issues. but when the underclass isn't hugely black, then discuss racism with me. what i'm suggesting is that they have been systematically disadvantaged by society. why don't you do some reading. read this book and then talk to me about handholding. no, but what does he have that will actually benefit underclass people? are you aware of the extent of poverty in black america? lets look at this.http://www.census.gov/prod/2005pubs/p60-229.pdf
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per capita income in 2004 in dollars for whites
234,077
median income in 2004 in dollars for whites
23,848per capita income in 2004 in dollars for blacks
36,546
median income in 2004 in dollars for blacks
16,035the poverty lines for 2004 are listed here
Computations for the 2004 Annual Update of the HHS Poverty Guidelines for the 48 Contiguous States and the District of Columbia | ASPE1 person
$9,310
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18,850here's the reality. people are still actively discriminating against blacks. in south florida, there is a systematic policy of "urban beautification". that is, forcing black people out of the homes they've owned for years, tearing them down, and building fancy, expensive condos and shopping centers for rich white people.the reality is that people are suffering because of things that are being done to them on purpose. the solutions have to be just as purposeful. it's not nice to think about, but unless you've spent much time on the other side of the tracks, you really can't understand it. it's not about pampering, it's about providing real opportunity. do you have any idea how underfunded inner-city schools are? do you have any idea how hard it is to find good teachers willing to work there? do you even begin to comprehend how hard it is to stay in school and get a sufficient education when your family needs you to work because they can't afford the transportation to get a good job outside the ghetto? do you even begin to comprehend what happens when your girlfriend gets pregnant because she can't afford and doesn't have access to health care and you can't afford the abortion and no one would adopt the baby while you've had to drop out of school to work for your family? it's not pampering. it's about real opportunity. these people don't have access to healthcare. they don't have access to good jobs. they don't have access to good education. they don't have access to safe housing. they don't have access to the law.yes, there are rich black people. yes, there are middle class black people. but do you see that median income? you know what median means? all the rich black people and all the middle class black people don't get the median income out of the range of poverty. Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

generally. but that doesn't change the fact that these people are being systematically victimized. downtown delray beach has been a historically black area since 1884. now it's the home of preppy white leeches with no jobs living on their parents wealth.

i didn't say he was a racist, i just said he had nothing to benefit black people, so why would they vote for him. you inserted any defamation yourself. says you. read the book. the residential segregation is systematic and purposeful. and yes, it's culturally driven. does that mean it's okay? no. we enact policy to combat the cultural ills that we have. it's what we've always done. do you think we enacted the first amendment because the cultural norm was for the state to not establish a religion? stop labeling me and listen to what i have to say, jerk. labeling me and then brushing me off as "just another liberal" isn't going to solve anything. when there's no funding for inner-city schools, how are these individuals going to get a sufficient education? how are people to empower themselves without a sufficient education? the funding for our education system is dependent on local municipal funding. if the municipality can't afford the programs necessary, is that "cultural" or political? if the municipality can't afford the programs because black people have been systematically, purposely precluded from the benefits of integrated residential areas (social mobility is directly proportional to the level of integration regardless of the base class of the neighborhood.) then is that cultural or conspiratorial? if the real estate industry has admitted to purposely segregating neighborhoods (they did in that book) then is that cultural or conspiratorial? then why are you talking to me? did i say that?pay attention.
education has to be funded. communities need to be integrated. there needs to be a real source of decent, safe, sanitary, affordable housing for everyone. there needs to be a consistent policy of urban renewal that actually benefits the people who live there instead of pushing them out to make way for rich, white leeches. and voting needs to be accessible. are you aware of the restrictions that have been put on voting recently? this attempt to institute a identification card (do you know how expensive those are)? the voter registration card is sent verified by social security number to the verfied address of residence. if the government were to provide a free photo identification, that's one thing. but a state issued id costs money currently, and that amounts to a poll tax, and THAT is unconstitutional. also, precincts have been purposely placed out of the way of public transportation routes. having to walk a mile to a polling place because i don't own a car and can't find a ride is absolutely restrictive and an unreasonable burden. polling places must be located on public transportation routes. The Office of Barack and Michelle ObamaStrengthen Civil Rights EnforcementObama will reverse the politicization that has occurred in the Bush Administration's Department of Justice. He will put an end to the ideological litmus tests used to fill positions within the Civil Rights Division.
Combat Employment DiscriminationObama will work to overturn the Supreme Court's recent ruling that curtails racial minorities' and women's ability to challenge pay discrimination. Obama will also pass the Fair Pay Act to ensure that women receive equal pay for equal work.
Expand Hate Crimes StatutesObama will strengthen federal hate crimes legislation and reinvigorate enforcement at the Department of Justice's Criminal Section.
End Deceptive Voting PracticesObama will sign into law his legislation that establishes harsh penalties for those who have engaged in voter fraud and provides voters who have been misinformed with accurate and full information so they can vote.
End Racial ProfilingObama will ban racial profiling by federal law enforcement agencies and provide federal incentives to state and local police departments to prohibit the practice.
Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender SupportObama will provide job training, substance abuse and mental health counseling to ex-offenders, so that they are successfully re-integrated into society. Obama will also create a prison-to-work incentive program to improve ex-offender employment and job retention rates.
Eliminate Sentencing DisparitiesObama believes the disparity between sentencing crack and powder-based cocaine is wrong and should be completely eliminated.
Expand Use of Drug CourtsObama will give first-time, non-violent offenders a chance to serve their sentence, where appropriate, in the type of drug rehabilitation programs that have proven to work better than a prison term in changing bad behavior.
Barack Obama's RecordRecord of Advocacy: Obama has worked to promote civil rights and fairness in the criminal justice system throughout his career. As a community organizer, Obama helped 150,000 African Americans register to vote. As a civil rights lawyer, Obama litigated employment discrimination, housing discrimination, and voting rights cases. As a State Senator, Obama passed one of the country's first racial profiling law and helped reform a broken death penalty system. And in the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.there's a longer pdf.The Office of Barack and Michelle Obama
Early Childhood Education* Zero to Five Plan: Obama's comprehensive "Zero to Five" plan will provide critical support to young children and their parents. Unlike other early childhood education plans, Obama's plan places key emphasis at early care and education for infants, which is essential for children to be ready to enter kindergarten. Obama will create Early Learning Challenge Grants to promote state "zero to five" efforts and help states move toward voluntary, universal pre-school.
* Expand Early Head Start and Head Start: Obama will quadruple Early Head Start, increase Head Start funding and improve quality for both.
* Affordable, High-Quality Child Care: Obama will also provide affordable and high-quality child care to ease the burden on working families.
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# Address the Dropout Crisis: Obama will address the dropout crisis by passing his legislation to provide funding to school districts to invest in intervention strategies in middle school strategies such as personal academic plans, teaching teams, parent involvement, mentoring, intensive reading and math instruction, and extended learning time.
# Expand High-Quality Afterschool Opportunities: Obama will double funding for the main federal support for afterschool programs, the 21st Century Learning Centers program, to serve one million more children.
# Expand Summer Learning Opportunities: Obama's "STEP UP" plan addresses the achievement gap by supporting summer learning opportunities for disadvantaged children through partnerships between local schools and community organizations.
# Support College Outreach Programs: Obama supports outreach programs like GEAR UP, TRIO and Upward Bound to encourage more young people from low-income families to consider and prepare for college.
Higher Education* Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Obama will also ensure that the tax credit is available to families at the time of enrollment by using prior year's tax data to deliver the credit when tuition is due.
* Simplify the Application Process for Financial Aid: Obama will streamline the financial aid process by eliminating the current federal financial aid application and enabling families to apply simply by checking a box on their tax form, authorizing their tax information to be used, and eliminating the need for a separate application.Record of Advocacy: Obama has been a leader on educational issues throughout his career. In the Illinois State Senate, Obama was a leader on early childhood education, helping create the state's Early Learning Council. In the U.S. Senate, Obama has been a leader in working to make college more affordable. His very first bill sought to increase the maximum Pell Grant award to $5,100. As a member of the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions committee, Obama helped pass legislation to achieve that goal in the recent improvements to the Higher Education Act. Obama has also introduced legislation to create Teacher Residency Programs and to increase federal support for summer learning opportunities.The Office of Barack and Michelle Obama
Promote Responsible FatherhoodSince 1960, the number of American children without fathers has quadrupled, from 6 million to more than 24 million. A healthy relationship between children and their fathers is important to good development. Children without fathers in their lives are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime, nine times more likely to drop out of school, and 20 times more likely to end up in prison. Senator Obama introduced the Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act with Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) to remove some of the government penalties on married families and support fathers already trying to do the right thing, while also cracking down on men trying to avoid their parental responsibilities. The bill provides fathers with an expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit. It also would increase child support enforcement and strengthen domestic violence prevention services.
Help Low-Income Workers Climb the Job MarketTransitional jobs are a promising way to help chronically unemployed people break into the workplace. This approach places participants into temporary, subsidized wage-paying jobs. It also offers mentoring and social services designed to address work-blocking problems like personal and family conflicts. Once they find entry-level work, low-income workers often are unable to break into middle-class jobs. Bridge programs can help by partnering the federal government with employers and community-based organizations to identify job opportunities, develop customized training programs, and place low-income employees in better jobs. Senator Obama introduced legislation to devote $50 million for transitional and bridge employment programs for hard-to-employ groups like homeless veterans, children aging out of foster care, and people returning to communities after a time in prison.
Support Low-Income FamiliesThe Child Tax Credit allows parents to receive $1,000 per child and has been an important financial resource for working families. Unfortunately, the credit is skewed so that many families who need it the most cannot get it. Because of artificially high income limits that are indexed to inflation every year, parents that work full time at minimum wage are not eligible for the credit. As a result, nearly 17 million low-income children get less than the full credit. Senator Obama worked with Senator Olympia Snowe (R-ME) to introduce legislation lowering the income limit so that 600,000 more families can benefit. Senator Obama also introduced legislation to temporarily expand the Child Tax Credit for low-income parents affected by Hurricane Katrina. Senator Obama succeeded in passing legislation to extend tax credits for military families by allowing service members deployed to war zones to apply their non-taxable combat pay toward the Earned Income Tax Credit.
Fight Mortgage FraudThe FBI is predicting that mortgage fraud may become a criminal epidemic. In these elaborate schemes, criminals use identity theft or face-to-face scams to gain control of victims' homes. The offenders then apply for hefty mortgage loans, take the cash, then disappear, robbing homeowners of their property and threatening the financial health of the most vulnerable members of society. Senator Obama introduced the first federal bill to combat mortgage fraud. The STOP FRAUD Act criminalizes mortgage fraud, authorizes $10 million more for anti-mortgage fraud programs and requires the FBI to update bankers on fraudulent activity in a formal, systematic way. The bill also would authorize increased federal funding for mortgage counseling.The Office of Barack and Michelle Obama
Quality, Affordable and Portable Coverage for All* Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:
1. Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
2. Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
3. Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
4. Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
5. Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
6. Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
7. Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
8. Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.
* National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.# Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage. Obama will expand the number of options for young adults to get coverage, including allowing young people up to age 25 to continue coverage through their parents' plans.
# Expansion Of Medicaid and SCHIP: Obama will expand eligibility for the Medicaid and SCHIP programs and ensure that these programs continue to serve their critical safety net function.
# Flexibility for State Plans: Due to federal inaction, some states have taken the lead in health care reform. The Obama plan builds on these efforts and does not replace what states are doing. States can continue to experiment, provided they meet the minimum standards of the national plan.Fight AIDS Worldwide. There are 40 million people across the planet infected with HIV/AIDS. As president, Obama will continue to be a global leader in the fight against AIDS. Obama believes in working across party lines to combat this epidemic and recently joined Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) at a large California evangelical church to promote greater investment in the global AIDS battle.# Improve Mental Health Care. Mental illness affects approximately one in five American families. The National Alliance on Mental Illness estimates that untreated mental illnesses cost the U.S. more than $100 billion per year. As president, Obama will support mental health parity so that coverage for serious mental illnesses are provided on the same terms and conditions as other illnesses and diseases.
# Protect Our Children from Lead Poisoning. More than 430,000 American children have dangerously high levels of lead in their blood. Lead can cause irreversible brain damage, learning disabilities, behavioral problems, and, at very high levels, seizures, coma and death. As president, Obama will protect children from lead poisoning by requiring that child care facilities be lead-safe within five years.
# Reduce Risks of Mercury Pollution. More than five million women of childbearing age have high levels of toxic mercury in their blood, and approximately 630,000 newborns are born at risk every year. Barack Obama has a plan to significantly reduce the amount of mercury that is deposited in oceans, lakes, and rivers, which in turn would reduce the amount of mercury in fish.* Health Insurance: In 2003, Barack Obama sponsored and passed legislation that expanded health care coverage to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. In the U.S. Senate, Obama cosponsored the Healthy Kids Act of 2007 and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization Act of 2007 to ensure that more American children have affordable health care coverage.
* Women's Health: Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.The Office of Barack and Michelle Obama
Expand Access to Jobs* Help Americans Grab a Hold of and Climb the Job Ladder: Obama will invest $1 billion over five years in transitional jobs and career pathway programs that implement proven methods of helping low-income Americans succeed in the workforce.
* Create a Green Jobs Corps: Obama will create a program to directly engage disadvantaged youth in energy efficiency opportunities to strengthen their communities, while also providing them with practical skills in this important high-growth career field.
* Improve Transportation Access to Jobs: As president, Obama will work to ensure that low-income Americans have transportation access to jobs. Obama will double the federal Jobs Access and Reverse Commute program to ensure that additional federal public transportation dollars flow to the highest-need communities and that urban planning initiatives take this aspect of transportation policy into account.
* Reduce Crime Recidivism by Providing Ex-Offender Supports: Obama will work to ensure that ex-offenders have access to job training, substance abuse and mental health counseling, and employment opportunities. Obama will also create a prison-to-work incentive program and reduce barriers to employment.Make Work Pay for All Americans* Expand the Earned Income Tax Credit: Obama will increase the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increase the benefits available to parents who support their children through child support payments, increase benefits for families with three or more children, and reduce the EITC marriage penalty, which hurts low-income families.
* Create a Living Wage: Obama will raise the minimum wage and index it to inflation to make sure that full-time workers can earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs such as food, transportation, and housing.
* Provide Tax Relief: Obama will provide all low and middle-income workers a $500 Making Work Pay tax credit to offset the payroll tax those workers pay in every paycheck. Obama will also eliminate taxes for seniors making under $50,000 per year.Strengthen Families* Promote Responsible Fatherhood: Obama will sign into law his Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act to remove some of the government penalties on married families, crack down on men avoiding child support payments, and ensure that payments go to families instead of state bureaucracies.
* Support Parents with Young Children: Obama will expand the highly-successful Nurse-Family Partnership to all 570,000 low-income, first-time mothers each year. The Nurse-Family Partnership provides home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income expectant mothers and their families.
* Expand Paid Sick Days: Today, three-out-of-four low-wage workers have no paid sick days. Obama supports guaranteeing workers seven paid sick days per year.Increase the Supply of Affordable Housing* Create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund: Obama will create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund to develop affordable housing in mixed-income neighborhoods.
* Fully Fund the Community Development Block Grant: Obama will fully fund the Community Development Block Grant program and engage with urban leaders across the country to increase resources to the highest-need Americans.Tackle Concentrated Poverty* Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in areas that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement in cities across the nation. The Promise Neighborhoods will be modeled after the Harlem Children's Zone, which provides a full network of services, including early childhood education, youth violence prevention efforts and after-school activities, to an entire neighborhood from birth to college.
* Ensure Community-Based Investment Resources in Every Urban Community: Obama will work with community and business leaders to identify and address the unique economic development barriers of every major metropolitan area. Obama will provide additional resources to the federal Community Development Financial Institution Fund, the Small Business Administration and other federal agencies, especially to their local branch offices, to address community needs.
* Invest in Rural Areas: Obama will invest in rural small businesses and fight to expand high-speed Internet access. He will improve rural schools and attract more doctors to rural areas.Barack Obama's Record* Tax Relief for Low-Income Working Families: Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.
* Housing: In the Illinois State Senate, Obama championed multiple pieces of legislation to help low-income families find adequate affordable housing.black issues aren't ONLY black issues. but there they are. oh please tell me the last time you saw a white person being discriminated against in such a way that it crippled his social or economic mobility. please. i doubt they're offering them sums larger than the land is worth. just because the families have a fixed homestead cost, doesn't mean the land isn't worth more. and just because it's a legal transaction doesn't mean that it's not discriminatory. kicking poor people out of an area to a place where there is limited public transportation is unseemly. it's not about legal, it's about socially responsible. the solution to ugly, poor inner-cities is to empower the people living there, not transplant them to somewhere you don't have to see them. i'm not talking about giving people money. fucking read what i'm saying. what is it you mean by culture? the culture of discrimination we have in this country which must be corrected by responsible policy, or the culture you think they have that makes them incapable of advancing economically? and by that, do you mean the culture glorified by rich white record and movie and clothing executives which encourage commodity spending and irresponsible social behavior? because they have friends and relatives here who've already gotten a place in the system. oh and cubans are white. they're almost exclusively of spanish origin. oh so it is the malfunctioning culture argument. yeah. blame the people who've been prevented from getting jobs for 200 years. that's reasonable. i'm not saying they live in abject failure. i'm saying that the system around them rebuffs them at every turn. we have instituted a glamorized culture of "the thug". we, white people. we have instituted systematic segregation within the real estate industry. we, white people. we have instituted systems that reduce funding for schools based on those segregated residential areas and the taxes those areas produce. we, white people. combine these inherent disadvantages with the individual discrimination faced by people of minority backgrounds (people with "ethnic" names are less likely to get interviews. Page not found - Voice Online Forbidden Can a Black-Sounding Name Hurt Your Career Prospects? [Archive] - GreekChat.com Forums), and you have systemic disadvantage. it's not condescending, it's reality. it's not racist to say that racist people have created disadvantages for minorities.

that cartoon is great.thanks for the help. it took me a while to make that post, and then the evc ate it and i had to repost it. yurgh.

sorry, i think my giant post of anguish threw a monkey in the works.

only people like you think that way.my contention is that he has no policy plan for them, so why should they vote for him. read my post and respond to me. i meant to demean no one. reality is only demeaning to those who live in a fantasy world. no. i'm suggesting that people ought to be treated fairly. i'm not talking about handouts, i'm talking about equal opportunities. unlike most "liberals" i stand in opposition to affirmative action. why don't you read my post and respond to me. why don't you spend an hour, just an hour, in a ghetto. so just because people are naturally fearful and hateful this is an acceptable practice for our law enforcement officers? bullshit. i recall there being a link there. if there was, why didn't you read it. if there wasn't here it is.In order to provide aid to recently arrived Cuban immigrants, the United States Congress passed the Cuban Adjustment Act in 1966. The Cuban Refugee Program provided more than $1.3 billion of direct financial assistance. They also were eligible for public assistance, Medicare, free English courses, scholarships, and low interest college loans. Some banks even pioneered loans for exiles who did not have collateral or credit but received help in getting a business loan simply because they were of Cuban descent. These loans enabled many Cuban Americans to secure funds and start up their own businesses. With their Cuban-owned businesses and low cost of living, Miami, Florida and Union City, New Jersey (dubbed "Havana-on-the Hudson"[citation needed]) were the preferred destinations for many immigrants, and soon became the main centers for Cuban American culture. Miami was particularly attractive due[citation needed] to its similar climate, geography, and architecture; Union City for the opportunities offered by the embroidery industry. However, Westchester, Florida within Miami-Dade County, stands as the area most populated by Cubans and Cuban Americans in the United States, followed by Hialeah, Florida in second.[1]

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the openly murderous racism reached well into the 70s, or better. it's since been dilluted by fear of fags, mexicans (you know, all brownies), jesus-haters, baby-killers, and "ragheads".

are you going to respond to my post? or any of them?

are you going to respond to my post? or any of them?