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jar
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Message 152 of 295 (447324)
01-08-2008 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by ICANT
01-08-2008 8:54 PM


We were talking about from the single cell life form to Lucy.
I had to come to the conclusion that according to evolution as has been discussed here that, that cell and everything between it and me are my ancestors.
And I can not find this definition anywhere else.
Therefore I cannot believe in this type of evolution.
What does that have to do with the topic?

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jar
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Message 155 of 295 (447327)
01-08-2008 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by ICANT
01-08-2008 9:05 PM


It is not Chen that is the LIAR!
Then I suppose Chen was a liar or did not know what he was talking about when he said:
It is not Chen that is the liar, and that is not a quote from Chen, and that has been pointed out to you several times in this thread.

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jar
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Message 156 of 295 (447329)
01-08-2008 9:31 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by ICANT
01-08-2008 9:20 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
You did read the article you referenced did you not jar. If you did you would know that no research is referenced after 1965. Chen made his statements in 1998 some 33 years later.
The point is that the newspaper article you quoted is obviously taking things out of content. It's not too unusual for writers to either make mistakes or misrepresent what the actual science is. The point, my friend, is that even 30 years before the news article we were beginning to find the very precursors Chen is talking about. Since then we have found many more including the main thing that Chen was concerned about, examples of bilateral life forms.
For example, in 2004 Chen, the very person mentioned in your news article published his discovery of small bilateral fossils from 40 to 55 Million before the Cambrian.
Note that, just the very things the article said were needed have been found.
That is how science works.
There is no problem.
Now do you ever plan to post something related to the topic?

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jar
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Message 159 of 295 (447336)
01-08-2008 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Percy
01-08-2008 9:45 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Actually, as I pointed out in Message 156 and others, Chen's opinion has changed as additional data has been found.
jar writes:
For example, in 2004 Chen, the very person mentioned in your news article published his discovery of small bilateral fossils from 40 to 55 Million before the Cambrian.
So even Chen is quoted as showing that the precursors to what we see in the Cambrian goes back at least 40 million years before the Cambrian.

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jar
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Message 165 of 295 (447347)
01-08-2008 10:36 PM
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01-08-2008 10:29 PM


Re: differentiating between the observation and the theory
Can you show a scientific theory taught as fact?
Chen is one of the folk that have shown that the precursors of what we see in the Cambrian arose over 40-55 MILLION years. That is NOT a sudden appearance so you can stop making that claim.
Chen is NOT saying something different than is being taught.
Now do you have anything related to the topic?

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jar
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Message 170 of 295 (447355)
01-08-2008 11:39 PM
Reply to: Message 166 by ICANT
01-08-2008 10:45 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
Percy considering it took 2.5 billion years to get from single cell life form to multi-cell microscopic life forms I would say compared to that almost anybody would think 2 to 3 million years was sudden.
Regardless, you have been shown that Chen believes it was more like 40-55 Million years, so why do you continue to repeat known falsehoods?
If he is right Darwin is wrong.
No, even if it were just 2-3 million years that would not show Darwin to be wrong. Why do you continue to repeat known falsehoods?
Do you intend to ever present anything on topic or simply continue to post falsehoods and misrepresentations?

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jar
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Message 180 of 295 (447555)
01-09-2008 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 179 by ICANT
01-09-2008 6:28 PM


Ah, back for another hit and run.
What evidence?
Have fun,
I see you are pulling the classic Biblical Creationist tactic of pretending the past never happened.
Do you ever plan on posting something related to the topic?

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jar
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Message 243 of 295 (447977)
01-11-2008 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by ICANT
01-11-2008 1:54 PM


Why Can't ICANT find the topic?
Now lets just dream for a moment. If I was in charge of something as old as Lucy in Ethiopia. (A country that don't have the laws and privilidges as we do in the US.) I would protect it as if my life depended on it because it probably would. It would not get out of my control or care for anything other than my dead body. But if I wanted to use a replica and make the world think it was the real thing, I would see to it that a very big fuss was made over the replica. Because I want you to be convinced you are getting the real thing.
Now I am not saying anybody else would do that.
I am saying that I would do it.
Yes, from postings here at EvC is does seem like the normal Biblical Cristian when given a choice between honesty and dishonesty chooses dishonesty.
Now, do you have anything to post on the topic which is "scientific theories taught as factual" or are you simply going to continue to avoid addressing the issue?

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jar
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Message 274 of 295 (448456)
01-13-2008 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by ICANT
01-13-2008 4:16 PM


Re: Sudden Appearances
I just hear so much about evidence. Even you mentioned mountains of evidence. But I can't find it, I find a mole hill hopefully someone can point the mountain out.
Here is a list of over 90 fossil collections.
Many of them even have searchable databases. The UT collection itself has records for 112,422 specimens in 4,450 localities.
Enjoy.

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