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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Heinrik writes: Some were agreeing with my perception and there was disgreement between each other. I'm willing to go back through and find them if you are. Some where agreeing? Really? Show me..... Btw I edited your name back to Heinrik and would like to appologise for trying to be a wise ass.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5014 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
Btw I edited your name back to Heinrik and would like to appologise for trying to be a wise ass. We've come a long way since you told me to 'shut the fuck up' I gratefully accept. Thankyou. Maybe now you understand how eager I am to uncover false beliefs, misconceptions and misunderstandings made from assumptions, closed minds, jumping to conclusions etc. I ESPECIALLY want to see my own! God, it sets you free. Freedom is what's on offer.In a nutshell: I wanted to show that after ............ "the stick I took, after all my mistakes,after looking like an idiot and being called one in no uncertain terms"...........that I was BIG enough, HONEST enough and HUMBLE enough to bring my MISCONCEPTION out in the open for all to see. Mission accomplished. Is it possible that you edited out my real name and have gone back to my alias?
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pelican Member (Idle past 5014 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
E=mc^2 has nothing to do with a mass travelling at the speed of light. Here, c is just a number, and c^2 forms the constant of proportionality between E and m. This number is also the speed of light, but that is (mostly) irrelevant to the equation. It is tested true every second of every day at every nuclear reactor in the world. None of the billion $ particle accelerators in the world would work at all if this equation was not true. There are very few equations in science that are better tested than this one... Cavedriver, I am under no illusion that you are well learned. Your obeservation was on the ball. Spot on!However, The rolling eyes just made me dismiss you. Had I not dismissed you the thread would have ended for me at 39. So dismissing you as you dismissed me turned out to be a very exciting thread and a nomination for post of the month. Ta dah! Thanks mate!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hello Paula,
Now that the cat is out of the bag, perhaps you can clear up a misconception of mine. On several threads (way too many imho) your last post as "Dameeva" half confessed to being part of a multiple personality here, and that you were abandoning it because you had found the guidelines prohibited it, or something like that ("half" because you didn't pony up the other name/s, which gave the "admission" an air of incomplete sincerity, imho). There are many people here who have multiple userID's, but they generally have been sequential. The most common are people who just change their userID in their profile (hovering over the name gives you the most recent versions used), and an example of this is Jon. This is an innocent use of different names. Another type are people that sneak back after being banned (and are usually found out and merged into one account), and examples of this is whatever. This is not so innocent, especially when the perpetrator is rude and abusive, like "Amen" was, however it is usually tolerated (with the caveat that some people just can't help themselves, they are drawn like moths to the candle flame). My interest is why you felt it was necessary to maintain two userID's at the same time. There is one type of internet troll that exists to be a "cheerleader" for the main personality on debate boards - giving a false impression of multiple concurrence and operating under the mistaken belief that the popularity of an opinion made a difference to the validity of what was said. That was my first impression of "Heinrik" - that it was not a complete personality - but it was just an impression, so I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Here's my misconception: that intentionally deceiving others is a definition of lying, and I have to wonder how you square this with the {idea\concept\process} of honestly presenting your opinion. Perhaps we can also discuss the fact that many creationist websites are not completely honest (if any are), and how this impacts the validity of anything they have posted. Finally, as I said to another poster that admitted to intentional deceit, how can I trust you to be honest in the future? Is this a misconception? The only currency you have on these boards is your word, and you seem to have squandered yours. Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5620 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
however some people just can't help themselves, they are drawn like moths to the candle flame). It does appear a whole lot of light is within e=mc2 suspect the misconception of Razd the flame burning the evolutionist (them moths) might well be beyond e=mc2. Like time, string theory, true light, etc...It might well be without creationists there is no light so when one shows up them moths flock to the candles light. Is like string theory about the true light not that there is not light within e=mc2 however God is said to be the true light. That all things exist were created thru him, and without him was nothing created. E=mc2 is one of Gods creations held together perhaps by time, Its been said that if God would turn his face all things would be destroyed? Is time another light not of the light of e=mc2 ? I guess string theory is off topic but suspect without time e=mc2 the universe itself would come unravelled and be destroyed, perhaps just energy but without time just disipate into nothingness? Enjoy !!!!!!!
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pelican Member (Idle past 5014 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
Re: Another misconception. Or two.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now that the cat is out of the bag, perhaps you can clear up a misconception of mine. YES indeed! I LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG! A question for you. Why would I do that?
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
YES indeed! I LET THE CAT OUT OF THE BAG! A question for you. Why would I do that? Irrelevant. The question is why you felt you needed two userIDs to begin with:
Message 229 Here's my misconception: that intentionally deceiving others is a definition of lying, and I have to wonder how you square this with the {idea\concept\process} of honestly presenting your opinion. In other words I want to be able to take your word at face value, as I generally do all posters, however I now have self-admitted evidence of intentional deceit on your part, so am I wrong to mistrust every single thing you say? How can I tell if you are being honest? for reference:
Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : lie definition by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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pelican Member (Idle past 5014 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
however some people just can't help themselves, they are drawn like moths to the candle flame). Is time another light not of the light of e=mc2 ? I guess string theory is off topic but suspect without time e=mc2 the universe itself would come unravelled and be destroyed, perhaps just energy but without time just disipate into nothingness? This is amazing. I have had to read it several times before it would sink in. Holy! Holy! I think you are absolutely correct. E=MC^2 is based on a construct of time, which is a construct itself. Shaky foundations here. Bloody hell! Do you know how much this would rock the scientific community if realized? Maybe this is the simplest misconception of all time! Regards, Paula Edited by paula rose, : No reason given.
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pelican Member (Idle past 5014 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
You seem to have a misconception that I should justify myself to you. Wrong!
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
You seem to have a misconception that I should justify myself to you. Wrong! Not really, I am just wondering how you justify intentional deceit - if not to me, then to yourself, or anyone else on this site. My personal conclusion is that you are not here to debate honestly with anyone, and that leaves the rest of us with very little reason to respond. Another definition of an internet troll is someone who wants to cause disruption on boards rather than contribute to them. You have now validated my opinion, thank you. Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : sp Edited by RAZD, : . by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5620 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Another definition of an internet troll is someone who wants to cause disruption on boards rather than contribute to them. I don't see Razd contributing to this thread e=mc2 in fact it appears he's being disruptive and not contributing to the topic. I don't really understand Bell's theorem it appears others have already have raised questions of E=mc2 (at rest) "local relativity" being violated by QM. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The desire for a local realist theory was based on ideas about "how the real world works": first that objects have a definite state which determines the values of all other measurable properties such as position and momentum and second, that (as a result of special relativity) effects of local actions such as measurements cannot travel faster than the speed of light. In the formalization of local realism used by Bell, the predictions of a theory result from the application of classical probability theory to an underlying parameter space. By a simple (but clever) argument based on classical probability he then showed that correlations between measurements are bounded in a way that is violated by QM. Bell's theorem seemed to seal the fate of those that had local realist hopes for QM. Page does not exist: index.php/Bell's theorem | Quantiki
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pelican Member (Idle past 5014 days) Posts: 781 From: australia Joined: |
Nothing to trust - stop feeding the troll. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You seem to have a misconception that I should justify myself to you. Wrong! Not really, I am just wondering how you justify intentional deceit - if not to me, then to yourself, or anyone else on this site. My personal conclusion is that you are not here to debate honestly with anyone, and that leaves the rest of us with very little reason to respond. Another definition of an internet troll is someone who wants to cause disruption on boards rather than contribute to them. Do Not Feed the TrollYou have now validated my opinion, thank you. Enjoy. Keep discussion civil and avoid inflammatory behavior that might distract attention from the topic. Argue the position, not the person. I would like to draw Admins' attention to the fact this post accuses me of "intentional deceit." Is this not inflammatory behaviour?
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Please focus discussion on the topic and leave moderator issues to the moderators. Concerns should be posted to Windsor castle.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3672 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Bell's theorem seemed to seal the fate of those that had local realist hopes for QM. Yes, it did. Which is why we are happy to abandon 'realism', retaining locality. When we do this, combining Special Relativity with Quantum Mechanics, we obtain Quantum Field Theory - one of the two most successful theories ever formulated (the other being General Relativity.)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
For those who are concerned with truth:
This:
this post accuses me of "intentional deceit." ... is a false statement. The intentional deceit was admitted by "paula rose" aka dameeva aka Heinrik in this post and again in Message 235. Thus my stating it is just stating an already admitted fact, and it cannot be inflammatory to the person who admitted the intentional deceit. Being offended by the truth doesn't make the truth less valid. We've seen a whole thread apparently dedicated to the precept that anyone can take offense from the words of others, and that you can choose or pretend to be offended as you wish. The thread in effect invites people to take offense or pretend to be offended ... rather humorous. In Message 229 I asked "paula rose" aka dameeva aka Heinrik to clarify any misconception I had in regard to this admission of intentional deceit and whether it was in fact lying:
quote: I repeated this request in Message 232 and added a definition of "lie" for clarification:
quote: So he\she\it has been given two opportunities to defend or explain any misconception between this admitted behavior and being dishonest. If he\she\it chooses to pretend to take offense at this then all I have to say is: you reap what you sow eh? As far as topic is concerned this thread was started by "paula rose"/dameeva/Heinrik to talk about misconceptions, with e=mc² as a talking point (one that has been covered enough for anyone really interested to do further research on their own if necessary). If this is off-topic then so is discussion of Bell's Theorum ... (which did have a topic proposal at one time ... involving misconceptions too IIRC ... ) Enjoy. Added by edit: ps - Rather than feed the troll further, I've taken the issue of Trolls and Trolling here and to this new thread. Edited by RAZD, : added ps by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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