the new and improved obama thread

Maybe. Buz isn't necessarily a good indicator of Republican Strategy.Pay attention to the ads against Huckabee. That will set the tone for what will hit the democratic nomination. And I agree with NWR that the public is sick and tired of those tactics. But pay attention to how the other Republicans attack Huckabee.

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Do you have any idea how your government works?

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I'm assuming that's a rhetorical question. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out that more Canadians understand how the US government works then US citizens.

That's kind of frightening.

Tell if this is correctBuz's argument is that since Obama went to a Muslim school, he's a Muslim?

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There's a little more than that:
1. He had a Muslim (for a time) father
2. He has Muslim first and middle names

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Okay....asinine yes....

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3. The world population of Muslims is not calling for his death because of his alleged conversion to christianity therefore he is still secretly a Muslim.

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Well this begs the question,Did Obama ever utter that key phrase? If it can be proven he never did, then Buz is completely without an argument.

That's the best you can do?He went to a Muslims school and learned about Islam?Under that logic, everyone who went to a Christian school is automatically an Christian.And your article is quite amusing:

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But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played.

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There's a serious threat there eh Buz? [Sarcasm Off] Kids going to a religious place to play with each other! Heaven forbid that. I guess everyone who goes to play at a church run after school care program automatically accepts whatever beliefs that Church has according to your logic.

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Likely being in Muslim catecism class twice a week for 2 years he did.

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You seem to lack an understanding of what it takes to become a Muslim. Did he or did he not say the key phrase?That's all I'm asking.Personally, I have a hard time accepting your argument for a key reason. I went to a non denominational Christian school, I'm not a Christian. Your logic seems to state that if one goes to such a religious school they are automatically of that religion and forever will be.

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1. The same could be said about the Bible in that vein.

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2. Totally irrevelant. Your job relative to this thread is to show that the original doesn't state the essentials that the translations we have if you wish to contest the accuracy of the translations.

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For all your islamaphobia, you could have at least researched it. For one, it is considered not the Koran if not read in Arabic, but a perversion of it. Second, Muslims' place in Heaven is dictated by how many verses in Arabic they memorize. You may think that Arabic isn't relevant here, but you'd be quite wrong.

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It behooves the one contesting the translation to research and support their implication that the translation of the Quran is inaccurate relative to this debate. Stop obfuscating the debate!

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No, if you understood Islam, reading the Koran in any language other then Arabic is perverting it.Do you know anything about Islam?How can you attack Obama as being an Muslim when you don't even understand some of the most basic things about Islam?

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1. I understand Islam and the Quran enough to know that the fundamentals of the translations are basically correct. They have been translated by professional linguists who know Arabic. It's up to you to prove otherwise with the specifics of how the original has a different message than the translations which I have cited.

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Which leads us back to the question:Do you read Arabic?And basically correct is still an perversion of the holy book.

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2. For the umpteenth time, I haven't attacked Obama as being a Muslim. My position has been that I don't know but have questions. I have shown where he was regarded as a Muslim as a youth and registered in schools as a Muslim, etc. I have raised the question as to whether he may be a secret Muslim masquerading as a Christian in order to infiltrate the US Government and undermine the war on terror, support of Israel etc.

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There is a book, called the DSM I think it's in its fourth print. I suggest you read it.What you have shown is that he went to an Muslim school for a few years and played with his friends in an Mosque. Under that logic, everyone who has spent time in a Christian school and played in a Church run after school care program is an Christian. I see you did not respond to this criticism in my previous post. I think I know why.

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I have shown as well how closely he has chosen to be closely associated with a radical black racist Christian church who's pastor espouses racist black power and antisemitic agendas and who has connections with racist Nation of Islam's leaders.

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No you haven't. You showed that he in his early life he admired these people. Under your logic, you are automatically a follower of whoever you admired in your past and are barred from changing your attitudes, ideas and beliefs when you grow up. Furthermore, you just showed he's a politician willing to use the race card to get votes.Try again Buz, you have failed.Which leads me back to my question,Did Obama utter the key phrase?can you provide me with information that he did or that he did not?

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but I'm not able to verify. Go for it if you can debunk it.

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We have. Furthermore the logic on which it resides has serious problems that I've already explained and you've chosen to ignore. The idea that if 'once then always' is stupid.

Buzsaw, please look up terms before using them. Socialists do not see the rich as the problem. They often see the rich as people who have exploited the problem of the system to get rich.And if you paid any attention to the US government in the past 8 years, you'd know that the so called "Conservative" Republicans favor government solutions to most problems.