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bluescat48
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Message 59 of 142 (475517)
07-16-2008 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by John 10:10
07-16-2008 10:12 AM


Re: God as perfect?
I and millions of others who have entered into the kingdom of God via the new birth (John 3:3-7) Jesus gives know that He did.
Maybe you and your millions of others can belief your ideas based on John 3:3-7, but as for I and millions of others, who do not believe that the biblical scripture is true without significant evidence for other sources, your evidence doesn't alter my ideas at all. Since neither you nor I have any evidence whether any biblical account is true or not It seems that we would be at a stalemate as to whether the following
Jesus said, "just as JONAH WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE BELLY OF THE SEA MONSTER, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth"
is true or not.
Edited by bluescat48, : punctuation & syntax

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
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bluescat48
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Message 74 of 142 (475777)
07-18-2008 9:10 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by John 10:10
07-16-2008 11:00 PM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
We've been thru this many times before. Your definition of scientific evidence for evolution is much different than mine, and so is the scientific evidence for our Creator/Intelligent Designer.
Your definition of scientific evidence is of no more value than my definition of an afterlife. Science advances based on evidence not speculation. Do chemists still search for the philosopher's stone?
Do Astronomers try to explain the future based on the position of the stars & planets? Back in the middle ages & the Renaissance, scientists held that creation was true, but since then have found evidence of evolution. ID is nothing more than a regression to creationism. It is the same as if chemists decided to throw out oxidation/reduction and replace it with phlogiston.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 79 of 142 (475785)
07-18-2008 9:59 AM
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07-18-2008 9:52 AM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
If the "so-called" evidence for the ToE can be called verified science, even more so can the knowledge that our universe and life here of earth could only come about through an Intelligent Designer.
Then state the evidence of intelligent design in someway other than biblical mythology. Show some evidence of ID other than the eye or the bacterial flagellum both that have been refuted.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 87 of 142 (475835)
07-18-2008 9:17 PM
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07-18-2008 10:18 AM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
The evidence is there to see for those who KNOW our Creator.
For those who do not know our Creator, no evidence will suffice until Heb 11:6 becomes a reality in your life.
For me, who does not believe in a creator, you have done nothing to change my views. You have to show what the evidence is.
Saying it is seen by those who know the creator amounts to as much as one saying goddidit which says nothing.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 101 of 142 (476061)
07-20-2008 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by John 10:10
07-20-2008 8:28 PM


The last time I asked whether or not the ToE was still a theory, most at this forum said it was. I guess some will now retract what they have said.
Yes it is a theory while creation/intelligent design doesn't even reach that high. Creation is nothing more than an idea based on mythology, magic & superstition.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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bluescat48
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Message 116 of 142 (477040)
07-29-2008 4:50 PM
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07-29-2008 3:07 PM


Re: Yes, still a theory, a validated scientific based on evidence theory, but ...
But I have no respect for a theory that has not been proven, such as the ToE, that serves no useful purpose and produces no benefit to mankind.
You need to see what a Physical Law is (the "Laws"which you post links to)
Physical Law
All of the Laws you link too are in reality robust theories. They are given law rank due to the number of scientists who accept them.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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