Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
0 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,901 Year: 4,158/9,624 Month: 1,029/974 Week: 356/286 Day: 12/65 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Is complexity an argument against design?
Brian
Member (Idle past 4988 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 54 of 142 (475398)
07-15-2008 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by John 10:10
07-15-2008 3:08 PM


Re: God as perfect?
Jesus certainly didn't think the story of Jonah was a myth!
How do you know that Jesus wasn't just using the Jonah myth as a teaching tool? Just because He used Jonah as an example doesn't mean He necessarily believed it was true, and if He did think Jonah's story was true then He was mistaken.
Matt 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
So, Jesus wasn't dead when He was in the tomb?
If man gets to pick and choose what parts are true and what parts are not true, then man might as well reject the whole Bible.
But much of the Bible has been shown to be untrue, plus much of it is clearly symbolic.
when I became a man, I did away with childish things.
Good advice.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 53 by John 10:10, posted 07-15-2008 3:08 PM John 10:10 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 55 by John 10:10, posted 07-15-2008 6:48 PM Brian has replied

  
Brian
Member (Idle past 4988 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 56 of 142 (475459)
07-16-2008 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by John 10:10
07-15-2008 6:48 PM


Re: God as perfect?
When one does so, one finds Jesus speaks truth to His children, not myths
But to convey a truth doesn't necessarily mean the supporting examples actually happened.
A bit like telling a child about the boy that cried wolf. It makes to difference whether that boy actually existed or not, it's the message that is important.
When we examine the Book of Jonah we know that many of the major points in the story simply didn't happen, thus we have to conclude that Jesus referred to myths in order to get his point across.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 55 by John 10:10, posted 07-15-2008 6:48 PM John 10:10 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 57 by John 10:10, posted 07-16-2008 10:12 AM Brian has not replied

  
Brian
Member (Idle past 4988 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 72 of 142 (475621)
07-17-2008 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by John 10:10
07-16-2008 6:18 PM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
The discussion of scripture was started by others, not by me.
Your should be aware that your Holy Book advises you not to tell lies.
It was indeed you who revived a thread that had been dormant for over a YEAR, to post inane (post 52) drivel, and then adopt your usual question avoiding dance.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 65 by John 10:10, posted 07-16-2008 6:18 PM John 10:10 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 75 by John 10:10, posted 07-18-2008 9:15 AM Brian has replied

  
Brian
Member (Idle past 4988 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 76 of 142 (475781)
07-18-2008 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by John 10:10
07-18-2008 9:15 AM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
Did Jesus tell lies in John 10:27-28 when He said,
I am not sure if Jesus said ANYTHING that is attributed to Him in the Gospels, that He did has to be taken on faith.
If we assume that He did say everything attributed to Him in the Gospels, and if we assume He was not insane, then the only reasonable conclusion is that Jesus lied a lot of the time.
There's also ample evidence that Jesus was a particularly nasty child, He even murdered another child, so perhaps He is not as nice as people would like Him to be.
But, it all depends how we treat the sources, if we are blind unthinking robots then we accept everything at face value, but if we can think for ourselves, and we are truly interested in finding out the truth, then we will have a more critical approach to the sources.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 75 by John 10:10, posted 07-18-2008 9:15 AM John 10:10 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 78 by John 10:10, posted 07-18-2008 9:59 AM Brian has replied

  
Brian
Member (Idle past 4988 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 81 of 142 (475789)
07-18-2008 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by John 10:10
07-18-2008 9:59 AM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
It all depends on knowing the ONE who gives you eternal life.
Believing in the ONE that gives you eternal life depends on your approach to reading the Bible.
As I said, if you blindly accept everything in the Bible at face value then you are a mindless robot.
If you decide that you do not want to go through life like a mindless automaton then a more critical approach to reading the Bible is required, and this is an approach that is much more respectful to the Bible than the literalist approach.
If you think Jesus is going to do anything for you then I suggest you read the Bible again with a more critical eye this time.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 78 by John 10:10, posted 07-18-2008 9:59 AM John 10:10 has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 83 by John 10:10, posted 07-18-2008 5:21 PM Brian has not replied

  
Brian
Member (Idle past 4988 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 109 of 142 (476983)
07-29-2008 8:55 AM


Why can't diversity and complexity be natural processes?

  
Brian
Member (Idle past 4988 days)
Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 113 of 142 (477031)
07-29-2008 3:14 PM


You can't still be feeding John!

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024