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Dr Adequate
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Message 82 of 142 (475791)
07-18-2008 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 80 by John 10:10
07-18-2008 10:18 AM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
The evidence is there to see for those who KNOW our Creator.
Splendid. So if you are one of those who "KNOW our Creator", then doubtless you can see this evidence and describe it to those of us less fortunate than yourself.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 96 of 142 (475919)
07-19-2008 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by John 10:10
07-19-2008 3:52 PM


This forum is established primarily for the purpose of propagating the speculations of the ToE that is then purported to be true verified science, when in fact it is unlike any other scientific endeavor that is studied, verified, repeated, and yes, proven to be true by trial and error to a very high degree of accuracy.
Worship if you will your "ToE religion" - the written body of teachings of a religious group that is anti-Creator that are generally accepted by that group - in the name of true science, but it is pure and simple worship just the same.
Yes, I worship my Creator and Lord, but I do so also by respecting the true scientific understanding of life and His universe as He allows us to understand His creation "and subdue it" (Gen 1:28), not by denying His existence, relying instead on the ToE speculations as the basis of our faith.
How amusing. A religious person, relying on religious arguments, wishes to cuss out a well-established branch of science. And the word with which he chooses to disparage it is ... "religion". As though that was the nastiest name you could call a thing.
If I want to disparage creationism, I lump it in the same class as bullshit, garbage, and slime. When you want to disparage science, you lump it in the same class as ... your own most deeply-held beliefs.
As though there was nothing worse than resembling you.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 97 of 142 (475923)
07-19-2008 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by John 10:10
07-18-2008 5:35 PM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
Maybe you would like to try answering some of the questions the Lord posed to Job in Chapters 38-41?
Nice attempt at changing the subject and ducking the point, but you fail. If you want me to laugh at the primitive ignorance of the Book of Job, I'll do that right after you've stopped running away from your silly boastful claims and answered my question.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 103 of 142 (476071)
07-20-2008 10:40 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by John 10:10
07-20-2008 8:28 PM


Whether you recognize it or not, the ToE is your religion.
Again, we see the religious person use "religion" as a disparaging term. Apparently the nastiest thing you can think of to say about the ToE is that it belongs in the same class as Christianity.
You are, of course, wrong, but it's the psychology of the thing that fascinates me. Why do you use "religion" as your word to describe all that you think is bad and false?
I mean, compare me with you. I have a scientific mind, and scientific opinions, and I value scientific knowledge highly. So when I want to attack creationism, do I say it's scientific? No, of course not, that would be stupid. I say it's a load of crap.
You, meanwhile, are religious, spouting a religious viewpoint, using religious arguments from religious texts; and yet you use "religion" as a dirty word.
Do explain.
The science that I respect is the science that is studied, verified, repeated, and yes, proven to be true by trial and error to a very high degree of accuracy. This the ToE can never do because of the billions of years necessary to verify that it can acutally take place the way the theory says.
It can, however, be verified using the scientific method, as used by scientists.
Which branches of science you choose to respect on the basis of your religious views is of no interest to me, to scientists, or, you'll notice, to the courts.
The last time I asked whether or not the ToE was still a theory, most at this forum said it was. I guess some will now retract what they have said.
What a strange thing to say. Why do you say it? I can see no relationship between your delusions that "some will now retract what they have said" and anything in my post --- or anything else in the real world, for that matter.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 104 of 142 (476074)
07-20-2008 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Dr Adequate
07-18-2008 10:26 AM


Re: Where's the science in intelligent design
Hey, John 10:10.
Remember this?
John 10:10 writes:
The evidence is there to see for those who KNOW our Creator.
Dr Adequate writes:
Splendid. So if you are one of those who "KNOW our Creator", then doubtless you can see this evidence and describe it to those of us less fortunate than yourself.
I notice that you're still running away from this.
If you know that there is no evidence for your views, why not give them up for the rubbish they are?
If, on the other hand, you still really believe that there is evidence for your views, why don't you post some of it?

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