Anything Divine in the Bible?

Srtaggler writes:Since Gods actions were deemed as evil, then I would like to see how and what criteria you use to make such an assertion.Since this is not the exact point I am addressing,it wouod follow that I need not address it until an answer can be provided as to why morality (if it existed) if subjective is a platform to condemn anothers action is valid. Since no one else has been able to may you could provide a platform, whereby you can justify your actions to condemn Gods or anyone elses actions. Lets see you platform.You havent even opened your case (assertion) much less closed it. Since this standard is derived from intelligence, then it would follow, that IF God exists his standards may be above what our intelligence will allow. Now watch this, at any rate no standard derived form a subjective standpoint can be used to condemn anothers action, regardless is God existed or not. It would all be RELATIVE. Your actions to incarcerate or punissh would be relative to your position and understanding, Now watch, IT is NOT AND CANNOT BE a PLATFORM to deem anything as EVIL. To do so is the height of silliness and contradictionD BertotEdited by Bertot, : No reason given.

Jaywill writes:Jaywill your thoughts and expressions are as beautiful and applicable as always. I would caution you to not intellectualize the word of God, for it is simple for all to see that wish to see it. It is the word of God that is "quick powerful and sharper than a two edged sword"..."that is a descerner of the thought and intents or the heart", not our words. If the WORD that you so eloquently quote and employ all the time will not move them, then it is doubtful our words will.The words of our Lord about casting perils before swine and giving that which is holy unto dogs, should be observed as well. Just a thought.D BertotEdited by Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.

Oink oink to you, too, vato.

Cavediver writes:Sick pathetic behavior is ones ability to ridicule at every turn nearly all person belifes and you do this with the worst possible language and intent involved Take a grand tour or your posts cavediver to not only myself but all others and see if I am not correct in this assertion. Your lack of toleration for others beliefs and especially religious ones in nothing short of childish and rude. And this is what I am trying to drag out for all to see.There is nothing pretty about the way in which you treat nearly all who you come in contact here. The problem here is not my attitude but your. Like I said rehearse your post and look at thier content, then see if you are qualified to pass judgement on me.D BertotEdited by Bertot, : No reason given.

You have happily acknowledged that your beliefs involve supporting the stoning of men, women and children, if your deity sees fit. I will never stop belittling such beliefs By making 'jokes' involving death threats to me and my family Are you sure you really want to spotlight yourself like this? I will never tolerate your type, Bertot, because you are a danger to society. Or at the every least, to US average IQ scores...

CD writes:I see you did not address once again anything that direcly relates to your and your rude behavior and treatment of others and you refuse to acknowledge that this is the case in your correspondences with others, as if tp pretend that it does not exist and should be excused because it is you that is doing it. But isnt that the way of the child, to ignore all such negative behavior of thier own and try to hightlight other issues.Will you be taking a grand tour of your threads and posts or would you like for me to reproduce them for everybody.Where did I ever tell you or your God, whatever that may be to go f... yourself or him.D Bertot

Please do... but for each one, please remind everyone how you think it is funny and a 'joke' to talk about you stoning to death my children. Fair?

The language of some posters portrays their frustration on an emotional level.Some skeptics come into a theological discussion like gang busters with the assumption that they will dispense with these "fundies" quick and easy. When they suddenly find out it was not quite as easy as they thought it would be, they result to cursing and rudeness.You might yet get some cooler headed and contructive exchanges with them. Maybe, if they can determine to produce a little more light and a little less heat. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

CD writes:Once more and I think we can leave this one alone. Firstly, you have had no doubt friends that in jest, you have told after they had done something to you that was embarrassing or funny, "Im going to kick the crap out of you", or a statment to that effect, correct? WERE YOU SERIOUS, when you made the statement, or were joking as was I.Secondly, admin monitors these post and they certainly could not have missed our exchange. Now, they have had ample ttime to verbally counsel, correct or suspend me and you. Or is it the fact that they knew I was not serious in any way shape form or fashion.Maybe that is enough said on that topic and we can get back to how evil you think my God is, since you have yet to provide any platform for that assertion as I have amply demonstrated. But by all means proceed.D BertotEdited by Bertot, : No reason given.

Jaywill writes:Your objectivity is both obvious and useful. Thanks again.D Bertot

Jaywill, some of these skeptics were fundies, for time periods measured in decades. And have fought both sides of the battle.

Hi cavediver, A fundie of what?A born again child of God never becomes unborn.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

ICANT writes:While I agree with this statement, is it your conviction that he or she can lose this status (not childhood)but favor in Gods view, depending whether thier conduct is such that is not in correlation with Gods will. Could they ever continue in sinful behavior, then still be in Gods graces.D Bertot

This is a lesson in futility. No matter how many times CaveDiver, myself, and others provide definitive sources of our morality, you blatantly ignore any that we propose. Instead of providing rebuttals you keep making the same unsubstantiated assertion that without "absolute" morality provided by a supernatural entity you can't have morality at all i.e. relative morality=no morality. We provide specific examples from your Bible indicating that even your own god does not follow his own standards of morality, thus even his own morality is relative depending on the situation at hand, yet you totally disregard this and chalk it up to "No one can understand the will of God", "Who are we to judge God" or "God is the moral standard so whatever he says is right".So let's get past this finger pointing and get this straightened out once and for all.I am going to ask a straight question that I would like a straight answer from a Christian perspective:Is it wrong to commit and/or command infanticide (killing babies and young children) against another country or ethnic group with which you are at war?No hedging the question. Since you believe in absolute morality, this is a yes or no question.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
Dr. Carl Sagan

But Jesus never changed. They can't say that they left the faith because there was somehow a change in Jesus Christ over the years.