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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Greetings
My real name is Robert For years now I been quietly watching as the debate continues, one against the other, creation versus science. The action alone is the cause for the all the hype and grief. I have found a way to place the Genesis account and the theory of evolution side by side, in harmony. Having done so, I realize how easy the discussion is. There are of course discussions essential that must take place first. I wonder how many there are, who might be willing to surrender their positions, their beliefs, for the sake of resolve?
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Greetings and On Guard!
Sword play is a skill, gentlemen. Obviously, you display your love of contention first. I fear greatly to lose this debate. Not that I have error in my own supposition, but that you would digress immediately to topics and viewpoint which cannot assist. Put away your swords. I am your fellow servant. Shall we not define some sense of direction first? Where I am coming from is Genesis as written by Moses. Then followed by a discreet 'nay' saying. As I proceed I would ask first your patience.... and then your mind and hearts. Seeing that you have sword in hand I give you fair warning Later on Someone will ask of me...what did you say? I will fess up and repeat what I have said He will than ask if I told anyone else. I will fess up again That's when your names come up. We are all accountable for whatever we say 'yeah' to. Likewise for our denials. Are you sure you are up for this? thief
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
ok fine!
Let's see how quick you really are. Day one...light Day two...heaven Day three...all things green and seed bearing Day four... the seasons are set in motion Day five...all things that swim or fly Day six... all things that walk...including us See anything wrong in this quick list? Be careful Your response reflects your problem solving abilities. It is this skill that brings resolve. If your response lacks evidence of proper spirit.. I might well leave you as you are.
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Let's try something really different
I will place you between myself and Moses I bid you to say to him Hey old man! you do not understand what hangs above your head... nor do you understand what lays beneath your feet. Take a hike! to the east..if you live long enough you will cross a huge territory (we now call Asia). When you reach the far side..build an ark..with sails.. cross the ocean (we now call Pacific)...abandon the ark and cross the land (we now call America)..build another ark, with sails..cross the ocean (we now call Atlantic)...if you stray not far off course (South America or Africa) you will soon be home again. At this point Moses would look you in the eye..and not with approval Say to him then...the stars above are not candles held steadfast by the angels. They are instead huge balls of flaming hot gas, far larger than the earth, and so distant the light of such things requires thousands of years to be seen by us. At this point Moses would likely pick up a rock. So too his many followers. And if you fail to turn quickly...run...never to be seen again you could end up under a pile of rock, dying from suffocation. But who is greater ...you or Moses? You know what hangs above your head. You know the earth is round For lack of proof..Moses would have you dead for such words But you know better...don't you? Unless Moses should change his mind you will not have peace with him. How scientific are you?
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Thank you
I wanted you to see the error in the list You did. It is sufficient that you perceive it Further elaboration will not be required. The list is brief but is the same display as used by Moses And you know better..don't you? The contention between Creationists and Science rolls back and forth as either side holds as standard the source of their conviction Creationists should not lean on Moses as a crutch Shall I do the same to Chapter Two? This is where science rears it's head
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
ok fine!
Let's change the name, to any name you care to. Now let's go back to the spot where I came in and see if this line of thought is any different.
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
I can tell you a lot more than the color of the sky.
For your next question, try less rhetorical and more inquisitive.
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
you're not much to work with
Say something.
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
you don't catch on well
See message 59 Chapter Two is actually Day Eight There is a distinct difference between creation as compared to manipulation. All the events of the garden are isolated (experimentation) Adam is a chosen son of God The garden of Eden is ideal living situation (test tube) Adam's life was extended by the situation God caused Adam to sleep deeply (anesthesia) Extracted a rib (major surgery) Increased the rib to full stature (cloning) Altered the genetics to produce a female Eve is a clone. Adam was given his twin sister for a bride To say that science has no part in the development of Man... could be a little shallow. This should keep you busy for a while. Try using Old King James There's a new Bible going about. Chapter Two begins declaring Chapter Two as a re-telling of Chapter One I prefer the old version Chapter Two is not a re-telling of Chapter One Evolution took place Day Six Time values are pointless Now let's see what you've got!
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Anybody else?
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Please review messages 59 onward
I'm seeking a bit more feed back Thief
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Did you take the time?
Genesis is what most creationists rely on to support their perspective Go back and read it again. I use this reference to show this to be so. Chapter Two does not defeat science Chapter one does not take away evolution The question is not about me The question is...are you scientific..do you recognize an experiment when you see one? Or do you prefer your Scripture 'as is' ?
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Thank you
But to assume I ramble is incorrect That this particular viewpoint eludes the other participates doesn't place me at fault Perhaps a dialog...one on one would be better?
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
I thank you for your most gracious reprieve.
I realize you offer no agreement, and you offer no support However, your allowance to me is most kind Apparently, the rest of this small gathering does not share your etiquette, nor do they possess well developed imaginations. Imagination is the problem solving portion of the mind Without such ability, possible solutions are elusive, and there maybe no problem that can be resolved I must have been too brief in previous text. I have already displayed the narrative of Genesis Chapter One to be something less than it should be. Chapter Two fairs no better. An argument favoring creationism cannot be supported out of Genesis. On the contrary, the events of Chapter Two are not events of magic or myth. They are events of manipulation As for Adam as a myth...Nay! Adam is the first son of God. Scripture says so, and on this point I offer no contest. It is simply that Adam was first to encounter a being greater than himself. To say 'nay' to this gives rise to another discussion...does God speak at all! He had to start somewhere. As for Eve...she is the one not having a navel!
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thief Junior Member (Idle past 5561 days) Posts: 30 Joined: |
Some Devil's advocate you are.
I've been picking on the Genesis narrative, and Moses You were never the target! Previous dialog was offer to reduce the creationist crutch of Scripture Future dialog will be aimed at the scientist. Which one are you? Declare yourself!
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