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Coyote
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Message 69 of 144 (498998)
02-15-2009 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Dr Adequate
02-15-2009 10:31 PM


Re: More About Monkeys
More about monkeys.
Essentially, there's not enough fossil evidence yet known to distinguish between the various possibilities.
I don't believe the majority of creationists are entitled to an opinion on the scientific question of New World Monkeys.
Anyone who believes that New World Monkeys both evolved and managed to get to the New World after the purported global flood 4,350 years ago is in no position to debate or question the science of the matter.
Edited by Coyote, : minor addition

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 91 of 144 (499429)
02-18-2009 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by John 10:10
02-18-2009 3:02 PM


Affirmative action needed
All we creationists ask for is equal consideration in the classroom as to how man came to be, rather than only being given an unproven ToE to explain how man came to be.
You are asking for affirmative action for your religious beliefs to be considered as science when they meet none of the requirements of science.
In fact, they are exact opposite of science, relying on unverifiable "divine" revelation (and on only one particular version of that revelation) as opposed to relying on verifiable scientific evidence.
What makes you think you should you be allowed to preach your religious beliefs in the guise of science?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Coyote
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Message 113 of 144 (499519)
02-18-2009 10:35 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by John 10:10
02-18-2009 9:02 PM


Re: John, if you've got some spare time on your hands...
Since you can't prove the ToE works in a lab in a reasonable amount of time, then the ToE can't be proven to a high degree of accuracy as most other scientific laws are proven.
Seriously, Parasomnium, you should know better than to propose this. If you don't bother to recognize that the time span needed to prove the ToE disqualifies it from ever becoming a scientific law, why should I bother talking to you?
You really should give up trying to use the language of science; you're no damn good at it. Virtually every statement you make is wrong. A few examples:
1) The theory of evolution is not studying to become a "scientific law." In science, theories and laws are entirely different things. Laws describe some regularity, often with mathematical precision, but theories explain laws! A theory is the highest level of explanation in science.
2) A process does not have to be duplicated in its entirety to be satisfactorily explained in science. Nor does it have to be observed in its entirety to be understood.
3) This "proven to a high degree of accuracy" is a creationist talking point, not something that has anything to do with science.
4) The basic tenets of the theory of evolution have been observed in the laboratory, as well as in nature.
You might be able to sell your flawed notion of science to creationists and a few local school boards, but many of us here are scientists and we can tell the difference.
But what is most amusing is that you accept creationism, which has no scientific evidence supporting it, while rejecting science, the scientific method, and all evolutionary sciences -- which have mountains of evidence supporting them. I guess that's creation "science" at work, eh?

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 142 of 144 (512401)
06-17-2009 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Stile
06-17-2009 11:59 AM


Re: Let's be honest
Logically, to make evolution a fact, and proven, all we have to do is find the logical equivalent in nature (which has been done) and SHOW that evolution agrees with ALL observations (which it does). Add in the fact that evolution can also be used to PREDICT future observations (which has also successfully happened) and you got yourself a tightly packed, extremely well validated, proven fact.
In other words, empirical evidence, and evidence which can be replicated.
And on the other hand we have religious belief based on "divine revelations" and other "trust me's" from the ancient past.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 144 of 144 (512409)
06-17-2009 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by mike the wiz
06-17-2009 6:53 AM


Re: John, if you've got some spare time on your hands...
There are no examples of mutations producing any new morphology. Natural selection only removes information from a gene pool.
This "devolution" concept which you are clinging to is a religious belief, apparently based on belief in "the fall" and both are totally unsubstantiated by science.
These beliefs apparently are tied in with the belief in "original sin" which to me is one of the vilest ideas ever proposed.
And in no case do those beliefs have anything to do with science or the theory of evolution. Science is based on empirical evidence.
You seem to be confusing the two.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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