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Huntard
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Message 72 of 144 (499374)
02-18-2009 1:05 PM 		Reply to: Message 71 by John 10:10
02-18-2009 1:02 PM

Wow! How constructive....
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John, if you haven't got anything substantial to add to the discussion, why are you even bothering posting?
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Message 74 of 144 (499380)
02-18-2009 1:20 PM 		Reply to: Message 73 by John 10:10
02-18-2009 1:15 PM

John 10:10 writes:
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All you and others do is explain how a "theory of evolution" is the answer for how man can to be without God.
I NEVER said evolution explains how you can be without god. In fact, I say it says absolutely NOTHING like that. Get your facts straight.
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Evolution explains the mechanisms for the change over time we see happening in nature. That's ALL it does. It doesn't even mention god. If something isn't mentioned, then how can it say you can do without that something? Does the theory of evolution say you can be without gravity?
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Message 77 of 144 (499402)
02-18-2009 2:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 75 by John 10:10
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John 10:10 writes:
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Get your facts straight! The theory of evolution does try to explain how life has somehow evolved after it somehow began to where man is today,all without the need for Creator God to be involved in any step in the process.
Really? Where does it say that in the theory? Come on! Point me to it, I'll give you 10 dollars if you can show me.
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By leaving God out the ToE equation, you are by exclusion saying that the ToE can and does happen without God.
No you're not, you're making no comment either way.
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As much as you and others would like to believe that the ToE has been proven from where life began to where man is today, the ToE is still a delusion.
And wrong again. You're saying there is no evolution? Well then, I hope you don't mind me giving you a flu shot from ten years ago and tell you you won't get it this year....
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Message 80 of 144 (499405)
02-18-2009 2:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 78 by John 10:10
02-18-2009 2:13 PM

John 10:10 writes:
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Excuse me!!! The ToE is still based on "theory" after "theory" after "theory" of how life somehow evolved from very simple life forms which they don't know how it first got started to complex life forms and finally to man.
Repeating something that is wrong does not make it true all of a sudden.
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Show me the evidence where man has proven in a lab that a single cell life creature can evolve into a fully grown man? Until you do so, the ToE is pure delusion.
I can't. Can you show me how god created everything from nothing? You can't? Then why is that true, yet evolution isn't?
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Edited by Huntard, : changed last paragraph a bit, I was too hasty.
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02-18-2009 2:53 PM 		Reply to: Message 83 by John 10:10
02-18-2009 2:47 PM

John 10:10 writes:
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The ToE has burried itself in a hole in the ground by ignoring how life could have first begun from inanimate matter, and relied instead on a theory of how life can somehow evolve from a simple spark of life to complex life forms and finally to man. Nowhere is God mentioned as a rational explanation of how maybe a Creator is neceaasry for life to be created from non-life matter.
John, the theory of evolution is not about how life got started, that's why it doesn't mention it.
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Instead the ToE relys on "what if" happenings that may transpire after life somehow began.
No, it doesn't. Evolution has been proven, both in the lab and in the wild, no matter how many times you deny it.
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From the first maybe spark of life, life somehow figured out how to evolve form simple life forms to complex life forms and finally to man, all without a Creator.
Life didn't figure anything out, it couldn;t have gone any other way. Further, you seem to imply we are the goal, we are not, so you got that wrong too. And again, it doesn't say there is no creator, stop putting things into the theory that aren't in there.
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Did I miss anything in this ToE, other than it's all "proven fact" to those who are willing to stake their lives on this belief that is still a theory.
And now you misrepresent the word theory again. Do you even read what others post to you, or do you just see it as letters that mean nothing? You should know by now what a scientific theory is, stop misrepresenting it. Further, I will most certainly NOT give my life for the theory of evolution, I'm far too happy living.
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02-18-2009 2:54 PM 		Reply to: Message 84 by John 10:10
02-18-2009 2:51 PM

Then why do you think that CAN happen, yet evolution can't? The evidence is the same, if not better for evolution.
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Message 89 of 144 (499423)
02-18-2009 3:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 88 by John 10:10
02-18-2009 3:02 PM

Funny, that's where the ToE has evolved to today.
Sure, go on repeating stuff that isn't true....
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You admit you can't "show me the evidence where man has proven in a lab that a single cell life creature can evolve into a fully grown man," and you ask why this isn't true? I must be missing something in this logic?
Yep, you are. I'm not even going to bother anymore, I should've learned from earlier discussions with you, you're trapped in a certain type of reasoning, and nothing can get you out of that. I'll simply say have fun with it, and so long sir!
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Message 120 of 144 (499581)
02-19-2009 9:07 AM 		Reply to: Message 119 by Dawn Bertot
02-19-2009 8:54 AM

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I think you are over applying what John may be saying. He is indicating that he would like to see creation or design taught not necessarily a particular religion.
But that IS a particualr religion. Or do you want ALL creation myths taught as science?
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Design is both scientific and philosophic, not religious.
It might be philosophic, but it's certainly NOT science, and it cerntainly IS religion.
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Trust me you dont want to get in a discussion with me on this point, you will lose.
Oh dear, look what I just did....
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Think about it.
I have, and this is the conclusion I've reached.
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What you can do in my country and get away with:
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Softdrugs? Legal!
Legal drinking age? 16!
Birth control (the pill)? Free!
Gay marriage? Legal!
Abortion? Legal!
Euthanasia? Legal!
Age of consent? 16 (14 if you have the parents permission)!
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Yep, only one way down for us!
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Message 124 of 144 (499585)
02-19-2009 9:32 AM 		Reply to: Message 121 by Dawn Bertot
02-19-2009 9:18 AM

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Would you like to demonstrate that design is a religion.
Of course, and easily done too, even without the wedge document (which in itself is proof enough). Let's take the logical path. Who is the designer? Only two things apply here. Aliens or god(s). In the case of aliens, they either evolved, or were designed. If they evolved, nothing's changed, now has there? If they were designed, then only two things apply for their designer. Aliens or god(s). We can continue this, until at some point, we HAVE to select god(s). There wasn't always life, afterall. And when god(s) are involved, that my friends, is religion.
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Edited by Huntard, : used creator instead of designer, yes, I'm tired.
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What you can do in my country and get away with:
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Softdrugs? Legal!
Legal drinking age? 16!
Birth control (the pill)? Free!
Gay marriage? Legal!
Abortion? Legal!
Euthanasia? Legal!
Age of consent? 16 (14 if you have the parents permission)!
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Yep, only one way down for us!
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Huntard
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Message 126 of 144 (499590)
02-19-2009 10:15 AM 		Reply to: Message 125 by Dawn Bertot
02-19-2009 9:52 AM

Bertot writes:
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It is not necessary to ask who the creator is to see that from a scientific standpoint things could have been designed and or created.
First of all, we DON'T see that. Second, once we establish things are designed, we absolutely MUST ask who or what this designer is, that's what science does, ask questions.
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Who he is and what it is is independant of this assumption.
No, it isn't. Once we establish things are indeed designed, we want to know who or what did the designing to better understand how it was done.
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Your arguments are like you cartoon piture, they are fanciful and contrived.
Project much?
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You are correct, only two things apply here, but its not aliens or gods, its that things were always here or they were not.
How did you get to that conclusion? Oh, and we know living things weren't always here.
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Since the collective evidence suggest that things depend on thier existence for something else it is very reasonable (scientific)to conclude, that a designer (evolution or not) is one of the only possibilites.
But te evidence DOES NOT show that. And since when is evolution a "designer"? To design something implies that you have a purpose in mind, evolution has no purpose.
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In other words the design principle is as valid (scientific) in its tenets as the starting point of biological or cosmological evolution.
No, not really, no matter how many times you keep repeating it.
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Neither of which can demonstrate absolutely thier ultimate designation or source, but are limited in thier obvious possibilties.
Evolution can't demonstrate that because it has no "source". And I beg to differ that ID can't. In fact I demonstrated above it can and in fact MUST.
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Therefore since both are derived from observable evidence and cooroborated by such, both are very real considerations or the origins of things and should be taught as such.
Name one thing, just ONE thing that points to design.
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Interesting you have done nothing to allivate yourself of the point that things could have been created by whoever to operate the way they do, have you. You have in a cartoonish way, simply restated the possibilites.
No I didn't. I showed that ID is religion, without any doubt. The fact you just close your eyes and say "Nuh-uh" doesn't change that fact.
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I told you you did not want to get into this, because it is to simple a point to demonstrate.
Indeed it is, and I just did.
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I hunt for the truth
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What you can do in my country and get away with:
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Softdrugs? Legal!
Legal drinking age? 16!
Birth control (the pill)? Free!
Gay marriage? Legal!
Abortion? Legal!
Euthanasia? Legal!
Age of consent? 16 (14 if you have the parents permission)!
​
Yep, only one way down for us!
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Huntard
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06-17-2009 11:41 AM 		Reply to: Message 138 by mike the wiz
06-17-2009 6:53 AM

Nylon bacteria
In case you have not heard of the nylon bacteria, here is a post of mine lining out the details. It also links to the original study and to the youtube movie I got it all from.
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Please educate yourself.
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Edited by Huntard, : subtitles
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