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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
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if the bible really is the word of God, you would expect it have some insight into the natural world. Here is what a textbook on geology says: “From Pre-Cambrian times down to the present, the perpetual process of building and destroying mountains has continued. ... Not only have mountains originated from the bottom of vanished seas, but they have often been submerged long after their formation, and then re-elevated.”2
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Compare this with the poetic language of the psalmist: “With a watery deep just like a garment you covered [the earth]. The waters were standing above the very mountains. Mountains proceeded to ascend, valley plains proceeded to descend”to the place that you have founded for them.””Psalm 104:6,8. mountains rise and fall and wen we find sea shells on the tops of mountains, we see evidence of that process Edited by AdminNosy, : No reason given.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
you're right
the bible is not a science book and doesnt claim to bebut when it does touch on science, its always accurate
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
the Bible says that our earth hangs upon nothing and is round. (Job 26:7 "He is stretching out the north over the empty place,
Off topic material hidden. Use "Peek" to read.Hanging the earth upon nothing" Isaiah 40:22"There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth" Although Moses was bought up in egypt in an egyption household he wrote that man was formed, not out of Ra’s tears but “out of dust from the ground.” (Gen. 2:7; Acts 7:22) Modern science would agree that all the minerals in the earth are found in our bodies. there are more, such as the bible mentioned the skin on the teeth for instance..something that wasnt known until it was first seen through a telescope in the 15th century Edited by AdminNosy, : off topic hidden
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
actually i recall mentioning how mountains rise and fall of mountains into the sea... the earth is always moving as we know and there are are mountains deep down in the ocean beds and some have been pushed up to above the surface
i also posted a scripture that described this process seriously, i dont claim to understand it all, but i am 100% convinced that their is a Creator and the bible is his word and hence I would always first assume that scientists may have the wrong idea... they have been known to change their opinions on things as their knowledge increases just as a non believer would do in reverse when it comes to creation
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Hi radz
Radz writes: Which is where we started: how can you tell whether this is just an ad hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy or not? The question is what kind of time frame you think this occurs over, and how consistent is that with observations. Note that the evidence contains many layers of many generations of marine organisms in a mature ecosystem. its obviously something that happens very slowly over a long period of time... there is no way anyone could witness it.
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in the instance of this scripture, it forms a testament to the fact that there are things that were written down that even the writers did not understand or have knowlege of. There is no way the writer of the psalm could have known of this process and yet here it is described in his words. Evidence of inspiration to many.
Razd writes: So the scientific ideas about the age of the earth are going to change the depth and diversity of layers of marine life? Or is it just that you don't want to play fair and consider that your personal (non-scientific, untested) ideas may also be wrong? Would you change your ideas as your knowledge increases or would you reject an increase in knowledge that contradicts your ideas? the scientific ideas just may change...they have changed in the past, they are always changing. And yes, i would have my understanding adjusted if there was evidence to the contrary. science is only how we measure things...our measurements are not always right. there are still some things that we can never measure, such as time. Where did it start? Even the greatest scientific mind will never pin point its beginning. Edited by AdminNosy, : No reason given.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
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Radz, yes i do reject the creation stories of other religions. Chinese Folk Mythology says “ Chaos was like a hen’s egg. Neither Heaven nor Earth existed. From the egg P’an-ku was born, while of its heavy elements Earth was made and Sky from the light elements. P’an-ku is represented as a dwarf, clad in a bearskin or a cloak of leaves. For 18,000 years the distance between Earth and Sky grew daily by ten feet, and P’an-ku grew at the same rate so that his body filled the gap. When he died, different parts of his body became various natural elements. ... His body fleas became the human race.” The greek story of creation was..."First Uranus was supreme, but he suppressed his children, and Gaia encouraged his son Cronos to castrate him. Cronos in turn devoured his own children, until his wife Rhea gave him a stone to eat in place of Zeus; the child Zeus was brought up in Crete, compelled his father to disgorge his siblings, and with them and other aid defeated Cronos and his Titans and cast them down into Tartarus" these alone make the bible creation account a vivid reality.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
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Razd writes: Do you know of a single instance where they have changed drastically versus refined the concepts? Piltdown man! the find was asserted to be a vital “missing link” between man and beast. It was “discovered” by Charles Dawson at Piltdown, England, early in this century. But decades later it was exposed as a hoax, a fake. It turned out to be the skull of a modern man combined with the jawbone of an ape that had been “doctored” with chemicals to try to make it look ancient.
Razd writes: Good. Then you accept that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and that for at least 3.5 billion of those years life has existed?The evidence of seashells on mountain tops is part of that evidence of age that adds up to an old earth. absolutely! we dont know the exact age of the earth, but we know that each creative period spanned a very long time.
Off topic material hidden. Use "Peek" to read.Radz writes: So you are special pleading your version of creation then. you've gotta admit, the bibles creation explanation hold a hell of a lot more reality then any of those other myths. Edited by AdminNosy, : No reason given.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4960 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Coyote writes: 1) Know, or care, little about science and its findings, or the scientific method; can you describe the scientific method as you understand it please.
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