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Message 125 of 183 (51863)
08-22-2003 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by A_Christian
08-22-2003 2:20 PM


My, my, my...
A_Christian writes:
This isn't
the world that GOD created.
So then you're NOT a creationist?
A_Christian writes:
Can a heterosexual blame GOD for making him an
adulterer or lusting fornicator? No, God didn't MAKE man to sin.
From your statements, I can deduce that you must not believe your God to be omnipotent nor omniscient since you assert that events happen against His will. Is this true? If my deduction is inaccurate, then these statements of yours are false.
A_Christian writes:
Homosexuality is an attempt to ruin & destroy real L O V E. The
kind of LOVE that causes one man to hug and kiss the cheek of another
whose dad just died. The kind of LOVE that says, I want nothing
(and takes nothing) and would cause one to give his life to save
his friend(s).
It is nothing of the sort. I know plenty of homosexual life-partners who display deeper love for eachother than many heterosexual couples. I can't say that I've ever seen a gay man with a black eye given to him by his partner, though I've seen plenty of women abused by their husbands.
A_Christian writes:
Homosexuality attempts to bring marriage DOWN to its level.
No, the pressure from the homosexual community to recognize homosexual marriage is an attempt to bring that aspect of society out of the dark ages from whence came your religion.
A_Christian writes:
It
suggests that a guy simply wants to bang a girl and thrust his tongue
down her throat.
How in the world do you infer THAT from it? Project much?
A_Christian writes:
Real LOVE says, you're safe with me, I will not
hurt you. I want what is BEST for you. I will protect you.
Homosexuals express and receive this type of love all the time.
A_Christian writes:
It isn't about who is on top and who is stronger and who is in charge.
GOD is in charge and the man is accountable to GOD and woman is to
HOLD the man accountable to GOD through her prayers and submission.
Didn't you just say that it wasn't about who is in charge? Why then did you go on to make several declarative statments establishing a ranking heirarchy? According to your initial assertion, we should disregard your subsequent statements. (Don't worry, I'm more-or-less doing that already)
A_Christian writes:
Homosexuality isn't "gay" at all. That is just a lie to hide the
truth. Homosexuality is anthing but gay, it is horrible and a real
pain in the butt!
Your opinion is noted. Thankfully, we do not have to accept your opinion, and frankly, it reveals more about your ignorance than anything.
A_Christian writes:
There is another example of an abused body part
that GOD intended for another purpose.
Which God are we talking about again? I can't seem to tell. From your opening statements in this post, it seems you're not speaking of the God of the Bible, or the one commonly believed by Christians.
BTW - Did this God of yours intend for us to receive herniated intervertebral disks as a consequence of the imperfect function of the vertical spinal column?
A_Christian writes:
Don't blame GOD for your
genes, ask GOD to forgive you and make HIM LORD of your life and
not S E X.
Again, you must not be a Christian creationist if you do not believe that God imparted out genetics unto us (Where would Adam get his genes if not from God?). If you DO believe that, and that thereby humans have been imparted with defective or faulty genes (according to you), it should be this God of yours apologizing to us.
Also, while I certainly enjoy sex, it is not "LORD" of my life. There is no "LORD" of my life but me.
Blessings,
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Message 129 of 183 (51892)
08-22-2003 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by A_Christian
08-22-2003 4:33 PM


Went fishing... got a bite...
A_Christian writes:
What you THINK reveals your own ignorance of the Bible, GOD, and
spiritual matters and my personality in general.
Perhaps, yet it also reveals firm grasp on rational thinking on my part.
A_Christian writes:
I am a Fundamentalist, Bible believing Christian.
...and the stereotype continues to propogate...
A_Christian writes:
I believe that
a literal interpetation is to be accepted where terms such as
"LIKE" or "AS" are not applied in the text.
Dan Carroll already provided you a stellar example of your own internally inconsistent statements.
A_Christian writes:
I believe that GOD Created a PERFECT UNIVERSE (free of sin and
corruption). I Believe GOD CREATED Adam & Eve perfect and without
sin. I believe they were tempted (by Satan) and FELL from that perfect estate.
I'll assume you meant "serpent" and not Satan in order to honor your insistence on literalism. Regardless, in a perfect universe no possibility for imperfection can exist lest it was not perfect to begin with. You're special pleading in the case of the serpent. A "perfect" serpent would not tempt Eve.
A_Christian writes:
I believe that GOD's perfect world was given over to Satan and that
perfection became corruption and that we are born in sin are dead
both spiritually and our body is dying physically.
I suspect that you believe that without sin no death would exist. Is that the case?
In addition, you failed to address the incompatibility of your assertions with the omni-capabilities presumed of your deity from my last post. Nothing happens against the will of an omnipotent and omniscient being.
A_Christian writes:
It isn't my place to say you are not a Christian so don't judge me
without Scriptural back-up.
My statements simply compared you to the majority of Christians I've encountered. Most of them hold that God created this universe. You stated that you didn't believe this, therefore I reasonably deduced that you are not a Christian according to the common definition of the term.
A_Christian writes:
I might add that I also believe that
There was a WORLD WIDE FLOOD and that NOAH was told of GOD to
build an ark.
This is easily falsified by tracing back Ancient Egyptian history which continues uninterupted for nearly 10,000 years or more into the past. (Of course, I'm assuming you hold to a belief in a 6000 year old earth, and that the flood happened 2500 years before present) Actually, the story of a global flood was falsified geologically some 100 years ago by Chrisitian geologists who set out to seek evidence for it.
A_Christian writes:
I'm very thankful he listened to GOD, unlike some.
And Christ is LORD of my life unlike yourself. I pray you reconsider
before too long...
Is that a veiled threat of fire and brimstone? I honestly hope it is. I haven't had a good laugh at Christian scare tactics in a long time.
Blessings,
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Message 135 of 183 (51904)
08-22-2003 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 133 by A_Christian
08-22-2003 5:35 PM


A_Christian writes:
Get yourself a STRONGS Concordance and look up "Serpant".
Why would I need to that if you insist it should be read literally? Doesn't it literally say "serpent"? Where does Genesis literally say "Satan"?
A_Christian writes:
Remember, I use the Bible and not my opinion to understand the
Scriptures
Then why would you or I need a concordance? Is the concordance part of the original Bible texts?
A_Christian writes:
I see you believe the word of Egyptian Myth over the Word Of GOD.
Not at all. I believe hard evidence excavated by modern archaeologists and the various independant dating methods that place them in history exactly in accordance with written Egyptian history over an account which shows no evidence of ever having occurred as you describe it.
A_Christian writes:
Hey, if Nixon could lie----I'm sure Pharoahs did too...
Maybe, but thankfully the Pharoahs didn't write the histories, and we can corroborate them with present day excavation and independant and precisely calibrated dating methods.
A_Christian writes:
Oh, and scientifically we now know that the Sphinx was once totally
submerged
Supply the evidence of which you speak.
A_Christian writes:
and historically the myths surrounding Osirus sound a lot
like a FLOOD tale....
Yeah and the Noachian flood tale reads a lot like a rip-off of the Gilgamesh story. So what?
Blessings,
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Message 137 of 183 (51912)
08-22-2003 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by :æ:
08-22-2003 5:08 PM


Correction
I said:
quote:
(Of course, I'm assuming you hold to a belief in a 6000 year old earth, and that the flood happened 2500 years before present)
I intended to say "...that the flood happened 4500 years before present" as is commonly held by the likes of AiG. That would place the flood at 2500 BC.
EDIT: LOL. I suppose I should correct my symbology a bit too. Instead typing "4500 ybp" I should type "4500 ybp" lest I give the impression that the flood might have happened up to 4500 years in the future. D'OH!!!
Blessings,
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Message 141 of 183 (51920)
08-22-2003 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by A_Christian
08-22-2003 6:13 PM


Re: Correction
A_Christian writes:
Dan:
I thought that you were smarter then that. I guess not.
:::thundering applause and cheers::::
Well done! Good show! Hear! Hear!
Seriously A_Christian, reducing your only comments to insults when your beliefs are challenged will not get you far in convincing others to hold your beliefs too.
Blessings,
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Message 158 of 183 (52172)
08-25-2003 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by A_Christian
08-25-2003 1:33 PM


Silliness
A_Christian writes:
Not silly, if one reads the Bible and believes it to be the inspired
written word of GOD.
Neither is it silly to fear the composition of sentences which contain vowels if one read's Mammathus' posts and believes him to be the sole infallible channel between us and the giant four-assed galactic monkey.
A_Christian writes:
I am glad you and your wife are presently happy; however, it will be of small counsolation when bad times come (and they always do) and
the end draws near (and it will).
We're all shakin' in our boots...
A_Christian writes:
I'll still have joy because I have hope, I have something to
look forward to----even at deaths door...
I have hope for a hereafter, too. We're not too different in that regard. My hoped-for model, however, doesn't include eternal damnation for roughly half of the entire populous of the planet earth. Why would I hope for that?
Blessings,
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