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Homosexuality is a deviation from what GOD created (which is male
& female). I have never witnessed a birth that didn't originate in this fashion. People who "say" they feel otherwise are just trying to cover sin with deception.
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It would seem that IGNORACE is bliss.
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Psalms 51:5
Behold, I was shapened in iniquity; and in sin did my motherconceive me. Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclea? not one. John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is bornof the Spirit is spirit. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death bysin; and so death passed unto all men, for that all have sinned.
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You will reap what you sow...
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The same could be asked of you. I accept hard love.
Even a child may get spanked by a loving parent. An indifferent parent could care less...
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So, we get a young teen (already confused about life) and tell him
that if he isn't practicing fornication by 15 he is obviously gay and needs to come out. Of course there are older men who would just love to be of service to our young fledgling (show him the ropes).
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Mammuthus:
Sir, I believe that a murderer can be a Christian or can becomea Christian. That doesn't mean that a murder wasn't committed or that it suddenly became OK. The very same is true for a homosexual. The act doesn't take onrighteousness because the person is or becomes a Christian. However, the indivdual recognizes that he is living in error and is trying to change with GOD's help. The act isn't OK and lives still can be ruined by sin. Mr. Jack: You need to remember what it was like being an adolescent and goingthrough puberty. You need to set aside the attitude and discover alittle common sense. Dan Carroll: Jesus Christ fulfilled ALL the requirements of the LAW. Christiansare bound by only 2 principles. Love the LORD your GOD with all your heart, might, soul and love your neighbor as yourself. Who are YOUR neighbors?
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Dan Carroll:
You need to read the story of the Good Samaritan. It is found inLuke chapter 10 verses 25-37. I didn't say that it is OK to be a homosexual or a murderer. I said that it is possible for one to be a Christian and sin. However, ultimatly only GOD knows a person's heart and yes, sin ALWAYS has repercussions----both for the sinner and those around him. God does say in His Word that by their works one may see a fellowChristian (see Galatians, chapter 5, verses 17-26. Here we have a comparison of works of the flesh and those of the spirit. This is what Christians are to use as signs of TRUE spirituality and godly growth. To live an excuse is no excuse.
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You're not to have any other gods but GOD.
Sex can be a god and is in the case of the homosexual, as the sex has NOTHING to do with either procreation nor marriage...
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DC85:
Does a person wake up one morning & say, "I want to be a prostitute?"Things happen in steps and stages. Choices we make during our lives and the friends we listen to all have an influence. Some are for the good and some are bad. Do you really believe that if it "feels" good that it's good. Perhaps your friends family were not the ones being ignorant----but then I never met them nor your friend. Mammuthus: I would submit that you don't KNOW me at all. You don't KNOW mytastes or friends. You don't KNOW about my youth or my family. You don't even see my facial expressions. You would judge me by debate? I would also submit to you that through the middle of the 20thcentury, most criminals were considered to have genetic disorders and that their behavior was hereditary. This supports the Bible's stand that sin is passed down from father to son to the third and fourth generation among those that HATE GOD. Mr. Jack: Homosexuals recruit the young and sin is sin. I don't condomelooking at PLAYBOY nor lusting after women. The ONLY reason for marriage is to start a responsible family unit with GOD at the top over the father supported by the wife and raising children in the understanding of the LORD. Calling me a bigot only reflects your own intolerance...
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Rrhain:
Did you attend public junior & high school? Look man, when I attendedsex and girls were what most guys seemed to talk about. I was taught by example that sex was something that happened after marriage---- my parents dated 3 months before they got married in 1948. I was born 1953---the first child was a miscarriage 1951. What I am saying is that the peer group puts alot of influence onan individual to CONFORM. I was SAVED when I was 9 years old. I was was tall and skinny. Hey, I wanted to have muscles and impress people (girls too). There was this one guy in gym who had the looks, muscles, and dates (if he wanted them). He was a turn on. Fortunately, I knew that coveting (according to the BIBLE) would only lead me into mischief. I was a Bible thumper then too. I had few friends, but those I hadwere genuine. I was called a fag, preacher boy, girl, cretin, etc. One guy that was always busting my chops and made fun of my "prudish" view of sex would later get AIDS in the 1980's . I never called him anything nasty and he had lots of dates in high school. He "acted" the real stud and yet made fun of me for my HONEST convictions. When I was 19 I filled out and I went to art school (thought I'dgo into advertising). That's another story. Anyway, I loved antiques (still do) and went to an area flea market. This older guy starts to talk to me. At the next show he starts asking me where I went to college, etc... I told him I was taking art classes and he suggested I follow him to his gallery to look at his etchings. He seemed a nice guy---I wanted to see the art. He starts by touchingmy shoulder and asks about money, and asks if I could use some. He then says he has a friend who is into photography and likes to take pictures of males. He says I have a nice body and great eyes and starts to poke me in the chest and says real good money... Sorry, I said I have personal convictions and I start telling himabout Christ. The guy shut right up and I left. His gallery didn't stay around long after that (I never said anything). So you see, even the Germans didn't all hate Jews or want to kill people but it is the choices you make and the slope gets steeper until you believe that what is wrong really is not...
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Rrhain:
Sorry, but the guy was 40 something and I was 19. I wouldn't datea girl 10 years younger then myself. He was "mature" and I was a kid. I do not agree with you. There are supposed "straight" guys who like to watch 2 girls. Sorry again, but there is something very wrong with that. We had a guy who was caught fooling with an area dairy cow. I guessthat if he married the cow, then it would be OK? Do you believe that satan exists? If you do, wouldn't he attack a person at their weakest link? There is simply too much graphic sex today, even the Song of Soloman was not read by men under 30 according to Jewish tradition. Actually, I used "Germany" but you did pick up on the inferencewithout a problem. Perhaps it is too good an example?
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crashfrog:
Has anyone done experimentation to see if DNA markers can be alteredthrough lifestyle applications? I would think that would be so much harder to determine. Perhaps they just don't wish to investigate further... Rrhain: In Galatians 5:16-25 says: 'I say then, "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust ofthe flesh." For the flesh LUSTETH AGAINST the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye WOULD. But if ye be led of the Spirit ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; ADULTERY,FORNICATION, UNCLEANESS, LASCIVIOUSNESS, IDOLATRY, WITCHCRAFT, HATRED, VARIANCE, EMULATIONS, WRATH, STRIFE, SEDITIONS, HERESIES, ENVYINGS, MURDERS, DRUNKENNESS, REVELLINGS, and SUCH LIKE: of which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of GOD. But the fruit of the Spirit is LOVE, JOY, PEACE, LONGSUFFERING,GENTLENESS, GOODNESS, FAITH, MEEKNESS, TEMPERANCE: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the passions and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.' Now Rrhain, which list does HOMOSEXUALITY fit under-----that of theflesh or that of the Spirit. This should answer any question of how GOD views it. You say that I was a adult at 19. Does a 19 year old possess the maturity and experiance of a 45 year old man? Funny, I thought one needed to be 35 to be president of the USA and 21 to drink in many states. Now just what were our Founding Fathers thinking..? I did the same thing that Joseph did when approached by his master'swife. He was OLDER and panicked. I did witness to him about Christ. Isn't that what Christians SHOULD do? Do you believe a person can be phyically injured? What aboutpsychologically hurt, isn't that possible? Well I believe that GOD teaches through the BIBLE that man can be Spiritually damaged as well. If you are not a Christian, you cannot understand this. What I was suggesting is that Satan uses deviate sex to hold theunsaved in bondage and destroy the testimony of believers. You seem to have no clue that it isn't about what YOU think---it is ALL about what GOD WANTS. Ask yourself the question, "What would Jesus do?" I don't see people beating down the church doors to become Anglicanpriests or even just to attend one of their churchs. I don't see it. Maybe it is different in England. Have the countries that endorce Homosexuality become more spritual and godly since doing so? What would Jesus say and do?
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OK, so some people "may" have a genetic link to homosexuality.
That link may enable some to be creative or artistic. It may also tend to make them gentle and of a sweet disposition. This in no way proves that GOD endorses gay sex. It can also demonstrate that sinful man will abuse and apply an otherwise perfect gift from GOD for selfish and sinful purposes. There is NO endorsement from GOD's WORD for the practice ofhomosexual acts. In fact the story of Sodom & Gomorrah as found in Genesis, chapter 19 should make anyone of an honest heart for doing GOD's will shudder. Jesus Christ himself in Matthew Chapter 19:3-12 and Mark 10:2-12,Jesus gives FULL CREDIENCE TO GENESIS 2:24 and the institution of marriage as ONLY FOR A MAN AND A WOMAN. Would a Homosexual consider himself a eunuch? I don't think so...
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Mark24:
I think I made myself clear. Man calls it a "gay" gene and sinfulman has applied the traits to his own deviate lusts. This isn't the world that GOD created. This is a fallen world populated by sinful humans. It seems that some would use the supposed finding of a "gay" geneto blame GOD. Can a heterosexual blame GOD for making him an adulterer or lusting fornicator? No, God didn't MAKE man to sin. Homosexuality is an attempt to ruin & destroy real L O V E. Thekind of LOVE that causes one man to hug and kiss the cheek of another whose dad just died. The kind of LOVE that says, I want nothing (and takes nothing) and would cause one to give his life to save his friend(s). Homosexuality attempts to bring marriage DOWN to its level. Itsuggests that a guy simply wants to bang a girl and thrust his tongue down her throat. That isn't LOVE at all. That is LUST and GREED and CHEAP THRILLS. Real LOVE says, you're safe with me, I will not hurt you. I want what is BEST for you. I will protect you. It isn't about who is on top and who is stronger and who is in charge. GOD is in charge and the man is accountable to GOD and woman is to HOLD the man accountable to GOD through her prayers and submission. Homosexuality isn't "gay" at all. That is just a lie to hide thetruth. Homosexuality is anthing but gay, it is horrible and a real pain in the butt! There is another example of an abused body part that GOD intended for another purpose. Don't blame GOD for your genes, ask GOD to forgive you and make HIM LORD of your life and not S E X.
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