Wingnuts Praying for Obama's Death

I voted for Bush the first time 'round because I thought he was the lesser of two evils. During that first term my view took a left turn, and after not voting for Jorje in the 2004 election, wound up considering him a total buffoon by the end of his office.I think most reasonable people would agree that no matter your political leanings (or lack thereof), an assassinated president does not a stable nation make. Did I hear of assassination threats to GW? Yes. Did I secretly wish they would come to fruition? Absolutely not. The threat of severe turmoil to national security, the economy, society and politics in general would be more than most reasonable people would prefer to experience. And I'll be honest: he wasn't that bad of a guy; just sort of an idjit.There are those who are usually reasonable people (such as my father, currently) who think that it'd just be better if a sitting president was offed. I think these are folks who aren't especially adept at following a thought to its logical conclusion, and if pressed, would most likely back down.But then there are those exceptionally unreasonable and irrational nut-jobs who would seriously, honestly dance a jig were Obama to be gunned down. And these are the folks I think the Secret Service watches for most closely.I think this pastor deserves a private talk with the Secret Service. The First Amendment allows for anyone to voice any opinion he or she wishes to voice, as long as it is devoid of the type of speech which may incite violence. IMO, this pastor toes this line, if not steps over it. Not to speak for hooah because I'm sure he can defend himself, but I think you may be pigeonholing him here. I think you're right in one respect: those who are vehemently anti-religion will zero in on any report of the religious engaging in hateful speech such as this (in the name of religion, no less), and more so if it's in reference to taking the life of a political figure you either a. voted for or b. just respect in general. But I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that attempting to paint hooah in this light may be a bit of a misrepresentation.However, I could also be full of shit. Have a good one.

Hey Dronester. Touché.Maybe "Idjit" was too tame. Would "Consarned Flea-bitten Anti-Intellectual S.O.B. A-hole Felonious Idjit" do it for you? Or something in between?Sorry I misunderestimated your position. Have a good one.

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"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

From what I understand, Dubya gave up the booze when he "done got born agin'." But in college and early adulthood he evidently drank like it was going out of style, and would have left me and my drinking buddies in the dust. But in the interest of full disclosure, I can't say I never woke up in a pool of my own vomit after a night of college bingeing. Agreed.

Hey Dronester. Wow. Just, wow.I can understand why we should, when presented with facts such as those, feel dismayed and angry. I admit I've seen or read some of them and, to be honest, didn't really do a good enough job of internally personalizing these things, or at the least, didn't relate well enough to travesties committed against humans just like me to make these things real. At least not real enough to think about on a daily basis.Do I think I should not have voted for GW in '00? Yes, in hindsight. Was I an informed voter? Yes, I think so. Did my view, as well as my political leanings change afterward? You bet your butt. Could anyone who voted for this imbecile have known these things would happen? C'mon.So what you're saying is all those who voted for Bush in either election (and possibly regretted it) should feel daily, wracking guilt about these crimes, correct? Sorry, but that's not how most people work. Sure, these were terrible, terrible crimes, committed (or at least authorized) by a sitting president, but do I feel some personal responsibility for these crimes? Maybe in a vague sort of way, I guess. Do I hear the children's screams? Well, that's a bit ... dramatic. Sorry if that upsets you.So was your intent just to bring to light facts which maybe some people aren't aware of, or might just like to sweep under the rug? If so, that's great. Thanks. But if your intent was to come off as a judgemental arse, well then ... "Mission accomplished!"I assume the above was facetious at best, a *flame* veiled with sarcasm at worst, but to your credit, it took me a couple times reading your post to come to that conclusion. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.Have a good one. (and I actually mean that)p.s. sorry this is so OT, and Dronester, if you'd like to PM me instead of further derailing this thread, feel free to do soEdited by Apothecus, : punctuationEdited by Apothecus, : No reason given.

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"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

Hey Dronester. Not really, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. What you did do was bring to the fore what I (like most people less angry than you) already know but prefer to move past. What good does it do?And just so you know, this is simply a reply to your last post, and not an incitement for more argument. As far as I'm concerned, it's a moot point: we agree in this respect, if not with the same intensity. If you're incredulous that I don't share your incendiary zeal regarding these atrocities, then I'm afraid I've disappointed you. Oh well. You can't please everyone all the time.Have a good one.

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"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

Hey again dronester,I thought this topic was dead so I sent you a PM replying to what was your last post before the most recent last post. Here it is, if you didn't realize it was there: We all pick and fight our battles differently. If you'd like to label me as one of the "mindless middle", that's fine with me. This is just, after all, an anonymous online forum. But I'd still play it the same way. Have a good one.

Thanks for the reply, dronester. Top of the page, click on "Messaging". I've used it a couple of times and it's pretty slick. The problem is that, unless you always look at your email alerts (if you have that preference turned on), the only way you know if you have a PM is when a (#) appears to the right of "Messages". Kind of obscure, but I guess it is what it is... Well, of course that's not middle of the road, but then we're back to context, yes? I know you don't really equate W with Hitler, right? To most (notice I said most) folks, drawing this comparison would be a bit of a stretch - maybe not quite apples and oranges, but just about. Rest assured, though, your point was not lost on me. It's just that, in 2000, I didn't personally vote for Hitler. If nothing else, I gotta respect your passion in calling 'em as you see 'em. Keep it up, dude.

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"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964

From a purely entertainment standpoint though, they're pretty much on par with each other.Abe: I guess the above could also be said if speaking from a purely horrification standpoint. Depends on one's perspective, no?Edited by Apothecus, : abe

Hey fellas.Just thought, after 80+ posts following my "comment", that I'd attempt to cast some light on what I was getting at. I led in with this: The topic at that point was relating to religious whackos praying for Obama's death. Everyone remember that one? I was replying to a post by Hyro in which he asked Hooah if he'd have made such a fuss if it involved a president he didn't like. I then ended the paragraph with: Apparently this remark (admittedly flippant) has caused a bit of a stir and has derailed this thread to the point of non-recognition. I'm surprised it's been allowed to go so long. But what I'd like to explain is that, when you take the above quotes as one statement, can you all at least try to accept that the reason for "not that bad of a guy" was mostly a function of that I didn't (and still don't) think he was the calibur of president who deserved to be assassinated?See that?Sorry. I should have been clearer than that. As I've stated before, it was meant lightheartedly, and some took it differently. But what I actually stated was very different from how some of you took it, and that, I feel was not my fault.Again, sorry for this derailment, but hope everyone had a good time venting. Edited by Apothecus, : syntaxEdited by Apothecus, : No reason given.

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"My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose. J.B.S Haldane 1892-1964