Has The Supernatural Hypothesis Failed?

Yes, improbable except, "There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, than are dreamt in your phylosophy."

The exact spot where Angels dance on pinheads.

I was speaking metaphorically. About the pointlessness of arguing the supernatural. tounge in cheek. There ya go another metaphor ripe with sophmoronic humor at you grasp. Edited by 1.61803, : spelling

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Ok. Wow sarcasitc eh? Woooo wee you sure told me off!!
I dont even know you and your talking about dicks and balls.
Why?Pointless conversations can imo, be entertaining.You asked where does the natural world end and the supernatural begin.
The natural world is all that exist within the universe. Ok thats where the natural world begins. And given that, anything else would be considered supernatural.How many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Denotes the old argument of speculating about things that can not be confirmed or proven. It is pointless to do so because everyone has they're own definitions and opinions of what is supernatural.
That does not mean all these conversations are pointless, and I think you know I did not mean that. I think you are just being a ass. Which is ok too. Dont bother responding.

Wrong forum for that I'd say. If that chap wants to plaster his smug puss lighting a fag as an enticement he's barking up the wrong tree."It’s been nearly a year since I last buggered a boy, and in my defense at the moment of entry I thought him a girl."
Archibald Cunningham "Rob Roy"

Shakespeare silly? And you a Londoner I thought would dig it.. I'm sure not. Just my atrocious spelling. If something is unknowable, does that mean it is imperceptible? Some experiments have shown the brain's hardware (PET SCANS) predicting the subjects choices 8 seconds before the person chooses. To me this suggest that although reality manifest in a deterministic fashion, our perception and freewill are possibly illusion. We can not know how far down the rabbit hole the wave function dominoes before a choice is percieved. I am skeptical myself. But given enough time a monkey and a type...
oh not another silly quote. I do not know. Science is trying to answer that question doing experiments deep in the Earth attempting to find dark energy. Agreed. All of it sound rational to me.

Ok I got my pantys in a wad. my bad.

I have a supernatural claim: God created the universe.
I have a natural claim: The big bang created the universe.
Ok, what then created God? Nothing, God is self existent.
Ok, what then created the big bang? Nothing it just happened.
Well if God is self existent, then what need for a universe?
I don't know.
Well if the big bang did not happen would there be a universe?
I don't know. Perhaps not this one.
One theory is that eventually all the matter that exist in the universe will be so homogenous and spread out, that there will be essentually nothing. delta s=0.
The cosmos will eventually become a very lonely place.There is something in human nature I believe that wants to resist that inevitable fate. That human conciousness in some form will survive. Is this why some look to the supernatural and gods in the hopes there is raison de entre.So is everything arbitrary, or do we just make up our own answer.
Perhaps the reason there is something rather than nothing is because something wants to exist. Otherwise there would be nothing.
Perhaps the supernatural gives some people who are resigned to nihilistic thoughts of absurdity, cause for hope that something exist greater than the sum of its parts. I now think we just need to enjoy, as best we can, what time we have.
Regardless of how or why we are here.

Oh, I see. Provisos.
I fail to see how any claim of god or gods can not be considered a supernatural claim. Even if one where to say,:My god Crom is natural he lives strong on his mountain."I'd say I would like to meet him."
:Well you can't because he doesn't give interviews.

Hello, can you name me just one supernatural claim that does NOT sound fishy?

Anything that defies the laws of physics or natural laws of this universe. Anything that is able to manifest itself in our reality without being subject to the laws of chemistry or physics. Anything that prevades or extends beyond the scope of our universe and yet is able to manifest itself in our reality. Anything that is considered a fact but has no basis in fact or evidence that can be verified or explained or theorized by any known respected field of scientific study. Any bull shit that some ignorant person pulls out of they're ass used to give explaination of something they do not understand but are to lazy to actually try and find a rational scientific explanation for. I think that about covers it for now but I am open for more suggestions.

Seems pedantic to me. As if there is some unwritten rule or guide book that states a supernatural claim is not satisfied unless one can show evidence of a supernatural realm. Where would I find this rule book of supernatural claims, the hogwart library? The whole point of pleading the supernatural is to skirt the evidence or lack thereof. By asserting something supernatural exist, or has occured you in essence trump any need to resort to facts or evidence or natural laws. No realms or alternate plains of reality need apply.

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The whole point in a nut shell Jon. At least the nutshell I agree with.