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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: Actually, it doesn't say anything about light at all. He might just as well have been created in the dark. 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. An examination of the text. God created man in his own image.God created them male and female. God gave them instructions. God saw every thing that he had made, and it was very good. After all this was accomplished. The evening and the following morning was the sixth day. It wasn't dark until evening came.
ringo writes: Don't assume anything. As I said, there's no point in covering a lot of other points until you understand that "in the day" does not refer to a specific day. But Genesis 5:1 says "in the day" refering to the specific day that God created man in His image. Which was the sixth day. Does the text say God created man and after that the evening and the morning was the sixth day? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Somebody else already explained that to you. In the Jewish calendar, the dark comes before the light. In any case, nothing in Genesis suggests that man was created during daylight.
The evening and the following morning was the sixth day. It wasn't dark until evening came. ICANT writes:
Yawn. Been there, done that. "In the day" does not mean a specific day.
But Genesis 5:1 says "in the day" refering to the specific day that God created man in His image. Which was the sixth day. ICANT writes:
The text doesn't specify whether man was created during the evening or the morning. It could have been either or both. Does the text say God created man and after that the evening and the morning was the sixth day? "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: The text doesn't specify whether man was created during the evening or the morning. It could have been either or both. Well let me think about that. It could have been during the daylight period or it could have been during the dark period or it could have began one period and ended in the other period. I still get the sixth day which is the specific day "in the day" in Genesis 5:1 refers too. Yep you just proved my point thank you. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
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Edited by ICANT, : Double post "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I find it bizarre that you haven't thought about it before, while you were spending half a century trying to turn Genesis upside-down.
ringo writes:
Well let me think about that. The text doesn't specify whether man was created during the evening or the morning. It could have been either or both. ICANT writes:
Nope. Different story, different context. "In the day" still refers to an indeterminate time period. It can be translated "when" (and often is). Even if a specific day is mentioned within that time period, as in Genesis 5, you can't use it as an excuse to change the meaning of "in the day". I still get the sixth day which is the specific day "in the day" in Genesis 5:1 refers too. "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: Nope. Different story, different context. "In the day" still refers to an indeterminate time period. It can be translated "when" (and often is). Even if a specific day is mentioned within that time period, as in Genesis 5, you can't use it as an excuse to change the meaning of "in the day". Are you saying the history of the man in Genesis 5:1 is not the history of the man created in the image/likeness of God during the sixth day? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Nope. Same events, different account. Are you saying the history of the man in Genesis 5:1 is not the history of the man created in the image/likeness of God during the sixth day? "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: ICANT writes:
Nope. Same events, different account. Are you saying the history of the man in Genesis 5:1 is not the history of the man created in the image/likeness of God during the sixth day? Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Event man was created in the image/likeness of God.
Genesis 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Event the story of the man created in the image/likeness of God and his descendants. Event 1 creation of man. Event 2 history of man. Explain how these are the same events. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Explain how God creating man in His own image is the same event as God creating man in His own image? Don't be silly. quote:Event man was created in the image/likeness of God. quote:Event the story of the man created in the image/likeness of God and his descendants. Event 1 creation of man. Event 2 history of man. Explain how these are the same events. "It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Also the authors of Genesis 1 had access to all the stories written before them. And then the editors had all the scrolls. And then the redactors had access to all the edited scrolls. And then the Committees of Canon had access to all the edited scrolls and made their own breaks, redaction and edits. And the translators had access to all the edited and redacted books.
It was easy to steal the ideas of an earlier author and just claim that "God did it". Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3488 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:You are correct that the usage of "in the day" or age is not appropriate for your little scenario. But the phrase "in the day" is appropriate for Genesis 2:4 and does not refer to a specific day as I've shown you several times in this thread. The idiom isn't that difficult. 4a was supposedly written by the Redactor. Chapter 5 is also considered to be the work of Redactor. The J writer's story had it's purpose and neither the Priestly writing nor the Redactor had added their twist to the story. The Priestly writer knew of the J story but wrote his story differently for his own purpose. The Redactor worked to stitch the stories together so the exiles would be able to see stories that were familiar to them. Since the majority of the people were illiterate, they only knew what they heard and probably just like the majority of people today, that stitching doesn't register. They see two stories. Look at how they are broken up for the kids.
And It Was Real GoodGod's Green Thumb Notice that this author understands the "in the day" idiom. He starts: Back in the day ...when God first made the Earth, God looked down and he saw that there was no one to take care of it. If you want to write your own version of the creation story, go for it, but admit that it is your own version. The stories we have in the Bible do not support your theory. You have to add to the stories to make them support your theory, which means you're writing your own version. The Savior said There is no sin, but it is you who make sin when you do the things that are like the nature of adultery, which is called sin. --Gospel of Mary
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi PD,
purpledawn writes: But the phrase "in the day" is appropriate for Genesis 2:4 and does not refer to a specific day as I've shown you several times in this thread. The idiom isn't that difficult. Can you explain why the authors of your sourse used the pharse"Back in the day" in God's Green Thumb But from the same source a little further in the book they use the phrase "Back in the days of Adam" in reference to Genesis 5 God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi jar,
jar writes: Also the authors of Genesis 1 had access to all the stories written before them. That would mean they had access to the original story written by Moses. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Nonsense. It's unlikely Moses even existed much less wrote anything.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi ringo,
ringo writes: Explain how God creating man in His own image is the same event as God creating man in His own image? Don't be silly. OK I will rephrase the question for you. In Genesis 1:27 God created man in the image/likeness of God. In Genesis 5:1 we have the history of the man created in the image/likeness of God including all his descendants. In Message 562 you said:
ringo writes: ICANT writes:
Nope. Same events, different account. Are you saying the history of the man in Genesis 5:1 is not the history of the man created in the image/likeness of God during the sixth day? I wanted an explanation of how the creation of the man in the image/likeness of God that took place on day six. Could be the same event as. The history of the man who was created in the image/likeness of God including the history of his descendants. You said they were the same event so please explain how they are the same event. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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