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Author Topic:   New theory about evolution between creationism and evolution.
zi ko
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Message 71 of 433 (602382)
01-27-2011 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Taq
01-27-2011 11:30 AM


Re: Check your premise
I had made itclear from the beggining.Neuronal biology would be able to really test my hypothetical theory.
You can't predict whether some theory is needed or not.
There is a lot of graduation amongst theories, as depends to actual factors that are based on, from many factors to zero ones.
There is no need to explain how defective offsprings are born. It is done by currently known mechanims. I didn' delete them.You could only accuse my theory why Neorogenig evolution had not prevented those defects.Maybe it did it in away. Maybe it prevented whole life on earth to be destroyed by chance mutations and natural selection only.

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Message 72 of 433 (602383)
01-27-2011 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Larni
01-27-2011 11:41 AM


Re: Mechanism?
As i answered Tag neuronal biology could test my theory. I don't say "believe me , i am right". But only" think, maybe there is another truth than this you unquestionably now believe". It does not need, any new proposition, that doesn't fit to our established beliefs, to hurt us.

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Message 90 of 433 (602661)
01-30-2011 1:24 PM
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01-28-2011 4:55 PM


Re: Mirror neurons and empathy
Surely you didn't want to give me the mechanism to my "silly theory",(why, were you afraid?) but in a way you dit it. Thank you .Sorry, i didn't know how much science knows about empathy, and as this knowledg, is a fact, it fits well with my theory, which is great.But i see as well it a prediction of this theory, that came true.

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Message 91 of 433 (602664)
01-30-2011 1:37 PM
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01-27-2011 8:02 AM


Re: Mechanism?
Epigenesis and mirror cells, with punctuated equilibrium, are facts that are supporting my theory, and give clues about mechanisms.

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Message 93 of 433 (602666)
01-30-2011 1:47 PM
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01-30-2011 1:40 PM


Re: Mechanism?
Since it gives support to empathic communication, it supports my hypothetic theory.

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Message 95 of 433 (602670)
01-30-2011 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Blue Jay
01-27-2011 10:36 AM


Re: Check your premise
Epigenesis and mirror cells give clues about mechanisms in my "hypothetical theory".Punctuated equilibrium and stasis are facts that can be explained by my hypothesis or theory.Aren't they enough for somebody to give attention?

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Message 96 of 433 (602672)
01-30-2011 2:25 PM
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01-30-2011 2:03 PM


Re: Mechanism?
Lamarc's theories have push Darvin to find the facts.

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Message 97 of 433 (602673)
01-30-2011 2:45 PM
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01-28-2011 3:38 PM


Re: Check your premise
Ididn't know about mirror neurons in animals and perigenetics. So i can say that these mechanisms were somewhow predicted by my hypothesis. more, punctuaded equilibrium and stasis can be explained by it. Is it right to ignore all these?

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Message 100 of 433 (602722)
01-31-2011 10:30 AM
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01-30-2011 3:05 PM


Re: Mechanism?
Larni writes:
You are wrong that mirror cells support your hypothesis.
Unless you can show that you are correct with some of that evidence all the kids are talking about, these days.
Wikie writes:Empathy
Stephanie Preston and Frans de Waal,[33] Jean Decety,[34][35] and Vittorio Gallese[36][37] have independently argued that the mirror neuron system is involved in empathy. A large number of experiments using functional MRI, electroencephalography (EEG) and magnetoencephalography (MEG) have shown that certain brain regions (in particular the anterior insula, anterior cingulate cortex, and inferior frontal cortex) are active when people experience an emotion (disgust, happiness, pain, etc.) and when they see another person experiencing an emotion.[38]
As empathy is a matter of knowledge(which an imformation from enviroment,e.g it is an enviromental fact) and according to epigenetics and epigeneting theory enviroment facts can lead to evolutionary proccesses, you may have the evidence you ask for.

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Message 115 of 433 (602999)
02-02-2011 6:14 AM
Reply to: Message 65 by Taq
01-27-2011 11:23 AM


Re: Check your premise
epigenesis and epigenetics are scientific evidence that i feel support my hypothesis.As it says about that organisms react and ghange as regads to theier phenotypes, in reacting to enviromental ghanges, some times up their DNA, in animal and plants,fit well with my sayngs.It is not difficult to accept that organisms know, feel their enviroment, and react to changes that take place in it.Surely there is not a clear evidence of a direct action on DNA, although tthere are some reports about it, but as if it taking place over thousants of years, it can't be prooved.Of course all the known mechanisms (natural selection, mutations, genetics) remain working. It remains for biologists to find out the mechanisms for this function, and the tissues where it is happening. Maybe all tissues are involved somehow, but surely neural ,as its nature suggests, is the main one.
Empathy is very much related to mirror neurones. As it is a knowledge staff as well, it can have the same inpact on genome, as other experiences have. So i can say that it significance for evolution is going to be accepted.
The phenomenon of punctuated equilibrium and stasis are well established facts, and my hypothesis explains it quitely well.During some geological periods enviromental changes are more intense than others.Organisms neural systems are feeling them and so they give their relative messages for evlutional proccess to start going.

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Message 116 of 433 (603000)
02-02-2011 6:18 AM
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02-02-2011 12:36 AM


Re: An apology due....
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02-02-2011 1:14 PM Reply to: Message 65 by Taq
01-27-2011 6:23 PM
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Re: Check your premise
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epigenesis and epigenetics are scientific evidence that i feel support my hypothesis.As it says about that organisms react and ghange as regads to theier phenotypes, in reacting to enviromental ghanges, some times up their DNA, in animal and plants,fit well with my sayngs.It is not difficult to accept that organisms know, feel their enviroment, and react to changes that take place in it.Surely there is not a clear evidence of a direct action on DNA, although tthere are some reports about it, but as if it taking place over thousants of years, it can't be prooved.Of course all the known mechanisms (natural selection, mutations, genetics) remain working. It remains for biologists to find out the mechanisms for this function, and the tissues where it is happening. Maybe all tissues are involved somehow, but surely neural ,as its nature suggests, is the main one.
Empathy is very much related to mirror neurones. As it is a knowledge staff as well, it can have the same inpact on genome, as other experiences have. So i can say that it significance for evolution is going to be accepted.
The phenomenon of punctuated equilibrium and stasis are well established facts, and my hypothesis explains it quitely well.During some geological periods enviromental changes are more intense than others.Organisms neural systems are feeling them and so they give their relative messages for evlutional proccess to start going.

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Message 117 of 433 (603001)
02-02-2011 6:22 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by onifre
01-31-2011 7:39 PM


Re: Mirror neurons and empathy
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02-02-2011 1:14 PM Reply to: Message 65 by Taq
01-27-2011 6:23 PM
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Re: Check your premise
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epigenesis and epigenetics are scientific evidence that i feel support my hypothesis.As it says about that organisms react and ghange as regads to theier phenotypes, in reacting to enviromental ghanges, some times up their DNA, in animal and plants,fit well with my sayngs.It is not difficult to accept that organisms know, feel their enviroment, and react to changes that take place in it.Surely there is not a clear evidence of a direct action on DNA, although tthere are some reports about it, but as if it taking place over thousants of years, it can't be prooved.Of course all the known mechanisms (natural selection, mutations, genetics) remain working. It remains for biologists to find out the mechanisms for this function, and the tissues where it is happening. Maybe all tissues are involved somehow, but surely neural ,as its nature suggests, is the main one.
Empathy is very much related to mirror neurones. As it is a knowledge staff as well, it can have the same inpact on genome, as other experiences have. So i can say that it significance for evolution is going to be accepted.
The phenomenon of punctuated equilibrium and stasis are well established facts, and my hypothesis explains it quitely well.During some geological periods enviromental changes are more intense than others.Organisms neural systems are feeling them and so they give their relative messages for evlutional proccess to start going.

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Message 118 of 433 (603003)
02-02-2011 6:24 AM
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02-01-2011 4:22 PM


Re: An apology due....
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02-02-2011 1:14 PM Reply to: Message 65 by Taq
01-27-2011 6:23 PM
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Re: Check your premise
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epigenesis and epigenetics are scientific evidence that i feel support my hypothesis.As it says about that organisms react and ghange as regads to theier phenotypes, in reacting to enviromental ghanges, some times up their DNA, in animal and plants,fit well with my sayngs.It is not difficult to accept that organisms know, feel their enviroment, and react to changes that take place in it.Surely there is not a clear evidence of a direct action on DNA, although tthere are some reports about it, but as if it taking place over thousants of years, it can't be prooved.Of course all the known mechanisms (natural selection, mutations, genetics) remain working. It remains for biologists to find out the mechanisms for this function, and the tissues where it is happening. Maybe all tissues are involved somehow, but surely neural ,as its nature suggests, is the main one.
Empathy is very much related to mirror neurones. As it is a knowledge staff as well, it can have the same inpact on genome, as other experiences have. So i can say that it significance for evolution is going to be accepted.
The phenomenon of punctuated equilibrium and stasis are well established facts, and my hypothesis explains it quitely well.During some geological periods enviromental changes are more intense than others.Organisms neural systems are feeling them and so they give their relative messages for evlutional proccess to start going.

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Message 124 of 433 (603706)
02-07-2011 7:35 AM
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02-02-2011 1:11 PM


Re: Mirror neurons and empathy
i suggest to read about eigenesis. Surely DNA is not affected by enviromental information, but outer structures of it is being affected.

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Message 125 of 433 (603709)
02-07-2011 8:41 AM
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02-02-2011 11:34 AM


Re: An apology due....
about neurones:we are talking about information, which we know in any case it is recieved by neurons. also they are the most approriate place to evalidate, cassify, transfer information.
biology scientists accepts outer modification of genom by information. i don't think this modification stops there.there is no reason and logic to happen this way.why we are obliged to leave all field to mutations and etc? couldn't they work together?
emotions in brain are valuable knowledge staff, and it affects genome.
creationists use this phenomenon as one of theier arguments, and succesfully so. why not to give an answer to them? i don't know an answer from the evolution side.

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