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jar
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Message 121 of 190 (605149)
02-17-2011 9:56 AM
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02-17-2011 9:49 AM


Re: The Flood Debate Another Topic
Buzsaw writes:
Jar, your message delves into a new topic so as to derail this thread. I don't have the time to debate the flood in debth. My time on line is too limited to go into in depth debate in multiple directions.
Then stop claiming the Biblical Flood ever happened or start a thread and quit running away and failing to address the evidence

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Dr Adequate
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Message 122 of 190 (605155)
02-17-2011 10:27 AM
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02-17-2011 9:22 AM


Re: Lo And Behold The Legends and other nonsense
How do plate tectonics explain all of the inland sea fossils in non-mountainous regions?
Plate tectonics doesn't need to, since such fossils were not uplifted, unlike the fossils in mountains.
Why would you even ask such a question?
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 123 of 190 (605157)
02-17-2011 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 115 by Buzsaw
02-17-2011 9:22 AM


Re: Lo And Behold The Legends and other nonsense
Buzsaw writes:
bluescat48 writes:
Sea fossils are everywhere in the US that I've been, from Ca To the heights of the Wind River Mountain Range in Wy to SC, to NY They're pretty much global.
Sure they are do to plate tectonics. Places that were under the sea millions of years ago now on mountain tops so what. If they were put thewir by your mythological flood there would be humans, trilobites, sharks, ammonites, and placoderm fishes all mixed together. There aren't.
How do plate tectonics explain all of the inland sea fossils in non-mountainous regions?
Do you even read what you write.
Inland seas account for inland sea fossils.

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Taq
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Message 124 of 190 (605171)
02-17-2011 12:06 PM
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02-17-2011 9:27 AM


Re: Lo And Behold The Legends
That is, if Robert Ballard's guess is correct, that evidence of civilization 300 ft down in the Black Sea evidences a local flood or a global flood. Methinks it's just one more corroborative evidence of the Biblical Noaic global flood.
Since I am currently not under 300 ft of water I can only conclude that this civilization under water represents a local and ongoing flood.

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Buzsaw
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Message 125 of 190 (605177)
02-17-2011 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by jar
02-17-2011 10:30 AM


Re: Say What Inland Seas?
jar writes:
Buzsaw writes:
bluescat48 writes:
Sea fossils are everywhere in the US that I've been, from Ca To the heights of the Wind River Mountain Range in Wy to SC, to NY They're pretty much global.
Sure they are do to plate tectonics. Places that were under the sea millions of years ago now on mountain tops so what. If they were put thewir by your mythological flood there would be humans, trilobites, sharks, ammonites, and placoderm fishes all mixed together. There aren't.
How do plate tectonics explain all of the inland sea fossils in non-mountainous regions?
Do you even read what you write.
Inland seas account for inland sea fossils.
Say what? What inland sea/oceans?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.

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jar
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Message 126 of 190 (605178)
02-17-2011 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Buzsaw
02-17-2011 12:42 PM


Re: Say What Inland Seas?
Buzsaw writes:
jar writes:
Buzsaw writes:
bluescat48 writes:
Sea fossils are everywhere in the US that I've been, from Ca To the heights of the Wind River Mountain Range in Wy to SC, to NY They're pretty much global.
Sure they are do to plate tectonics. Places that were under the sea millions of years ago now on mountain tops so what. If they were put thewir by your mythological flood there would be humans, trilobites, sharks, ammonites, and placoderm fishes all mixed together. There aren't.
How do plate tectonics explain all of the inland sea fossils in non-mountainous regions?
Do you even read what you write.
Inland seas account for inland sea fossils.
Say what? What inland sea/oceans?
The Western Interior Seaway?
The Sundance Sea?
The Turgay Sea?
The Rehic Ocean?
Much of the Sahara.
Shall I go on?

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DBlevins
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Message 127 of 190 (605182)
02-17-2011 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Buzsaw
02-17-2011 12:42 PM


Re: Say What Inland Seas?
Just as an aid to what Jar had replied, I thought I would provide a good link to what he is talking about.
Western Interior Seaway

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Taq
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Message 128 of 190 (605185)
02-17-2011 1:32 PM
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02-17-2011 1:19 PM


Re: Say What Inland Seas?
The Salton Sea is also a great example of how inland seas can come and go:
Salton Sea - Wikipedia

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DBlevins
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Message 129 of 190 (605187)
02-17-2011 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Taq
02-17-2011 1:32 PM


Re: Say What Inland Seas?
Quite right. A more recent example than mine but I'm not sure if that would matter.

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Buzsaw
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Message 130 of 190 (605224)
02-17-2011 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by DBlevins
02-17-2011 1:19 PM


Re: Speaking Of Myth
DBlevins writes:
Just as an aid to what Jar had replied, I thought I would provide a good link to what he is talking about.
Western Interior Seaway
Speaking of myth, there is more here and now evidence for the Biblical myth than for the evolutionist myth, as depicted by your mythical map.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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frako
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Message 131 of 190 (605232)
02-17-2011 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Buzsaw
02-17-2011 6:42 PM


Re: Speaking Of Myth
evidence for the Biblical myth
evidence of a genetic bottleneck of all species 4000 years ago -none
Evidence OF A SIGLE WOLDWIDE FLOOD 4000 years ago - none (evidence of lots of floods, at different times, sealevels rising.... yes just not 4000 years ago )
Evidence of sedimentery deposits in my back yard that would roughly date 4000 years ago -none i cheked while i was building my sawmmil had to dig preatty deap for the foundations.
Could noas ark float - NO it would leak like hell
Could noa fead the animals - NO no room for watter and food let alone the animals
........
the evolutionist myth/fact
Evidence of speciation lots of evidence of speciation achived in experiments or in nature
Evidence of genetic mutation lots
Evidence of benifitial genetic mutation lots
evidence that the earth is much older lots
evidence that the universe is fare more older then the earth lots
.......
Contradicting evidence NONE
was god needed NO, did god play a role possible but seriusly doubt it, seriusly doubt there is one too. I give it the same chance as the probability of 5 different terrotrist groups trying to hijack the same plane unoware of eachothers plans and during the hijacking convert to worsheping Vishnu and a few moments later the whole plane gets abducted by aliens.
So whats the MYTH ?
Back on topic if you chek the whole site you will also see the continents moving yes they move really really slow to slow for your time scale, and yes land rises and falls also to slow for your timescale, sealevels also rise and fall not enough water for your flood but hey who cares about that, they also rise and fall to slow for your timescale but hay who cares right. But dang thats not in the bible so all this evidence is worthless

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Dr Adequate
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Message 132 of 190 (605236)
02-17-2011 7:48 PM
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02-17-2011 6:42 PM


Re: Speaking Of Myth
Speaking of myth, there is more here and now evidence for the Biblical myth than for the evolutionist myth, as depicted by your mythical map.
That's not what geologists say. You know ... geologists? Those guys who actually study the geological evidence, rather than reciting discredited religious dogma while knowing fuck-all about geology?

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DBlevins
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Message 133 of 190 (605237)
02-17-2011 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Buzsaw
02-17-2011 6:42 PM


Re: Speaking Of Myth
Speaking of myth, there is more here and now evidence for the Biblical myth than for the evolutionist myth, as depicted by your mythical map.
How do you know that your god didn't want there to be an inland seaway and geologists are just discovering what happened? Does that somehow contradict what the bible says?
By the way, "my" map has multiple lines of evidence leading to its conclusion. Independent researchers have corroborated it as well. There isn't any need to develop an inland sea conspiracy, because it has nothing to do with evolution. All that was required was that researchers follow the immense body of evidence and draw there conclusions on what it meant.

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jar
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Message 134 of 190 (605238)
02-17-2011 8:17 PM
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02-17-2011 6:42 PM


Re: Speaking Of Myth
Buzsaw writes:
DBlevins writes:
Just as an aid to what Jar had replied, I thought I would provide a good link to what he is talking about.
Western Interior Seaway
Speaking of myth, there is more here and now evidence for the Biblical myth than for the evolutionist myth, as depicted by your mythical map.
Which one of the Biblical myths you talking about now Buz?

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Coyote
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Message 135 of 190 (605241)
02-17-2011 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Buzsaw
02-17-2011 9:49 AM


Re: The Flood Debate Another Topic
Buzsaw writes:
Jar, your message delves into a new topic so as to derail this thread. I don't have the time to debate the flood in debth. My time on line is too limited to go into in depth debate in multiple directions.
Buz, you can't debate the global flood ca. 4,350 years ago.
That issue has been settled based on the evidence. It was settled just about 200 years ago, and since then the evidence has continued to pile up. There was no global flood ca. 4,350 years ago.
The only thing you could do is tell us of your unsupported beliefs, and to totally ignore the evidence we present which shows those beliefs are incorrect. That's not a debate--that's a catechism lesson.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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