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jar
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Message 172 of 440 (611003)
04-04-2011 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 171 by ramoss
04-04-2011 3:40 PM


Re: The GOP
Certainly far closer to Goldwater than any current ones but more between AuH2O and Nelson Rockefeller. I imagine either would be considered as far left these days.

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jar
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Message 179 of 440 (611047)
04-04-2011 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by marc9000
04-04-2011 9:51 PM


marc9000 writes:
Owning slaves was a luxury for Jefferson, he wasn't using them to prop up a poor, desperate lifestyle!
Actually Jefferson was using slaves to prop up a pretty exalted and privileged position ... for Jefferson.

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jar
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Message 212 of 440 (611249)
04-06-2011 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by marc9000
04-06-2011 7:01 PM


Try getting something accurate for once.
quote:
YES! Public education is for the only thing not in the above list! For Democrat teachers to brainwash children into liberalism and atheism!
That happens to be complete bullshit as usual and a total misrepresentation of the facts.
Today's so called Republicans (every since the coup by the Christian Cult of Ignorance that installed the pathetic puppet known as Ronald Reagan in office) has totally abandoned the ethics and principles that made it the Grand Old Party. Today is is simply another way to move money out of the gullible, pitiful Christian Cult of Ignorance and hopefully pick the pockets of everyone else too.
There is no issue of liberalism in the US and has not been for a half a century, the issue is between Conservatives and the Fascist Republican Party.
It is not a matter of atheism, it is Christianity and everything else against the Christian Cult of Ignorance.
Public education is at least an attempt to avoid the Avoidance mind crippling that is the hallmark of the Christian Cult of Ignorance and their avoidance schools.

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jar
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Message 217 of 440 (611254)
04-06-2011 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by marc9000
04-06-2011 7:32 PM


Re: Try getting something accurate for once.
marc9000 writes:
There is no issue of liberalism in the US and has not been for a half a century, the issue is between Conservatives and the Fascist Republican Party.
So Nancy Pelosi, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, and Obama are all conservatives? If you told them that, do you think they'd agree? Sorry, but words have meanings - to effectively communicate they have to be used in ways that society generally accepts them.
Yes, very much conservatives, but not Facists.
I been there, I remember Hubert Humphrey.
I really can't help it if the Christian Cult of Ignorance is also ignorant of the meaning of words or the ethics that helped create the Grand Old Party.

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jar
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Message 237 of 440 (611317)
04-07-2011 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 236 by Taq
04-07-2011 11:17 AM


Actually, fifty years ago universal healthcare certainly was a major issue, and in fact it was something that Richard Nixon tried to get enacted.

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jar
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Message 240 of 440 (611324)
04-07-2011 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by Taq
04-07-2011 11:29 AM


Today's Republican Party is simply ignorant
Today's Republican Party is quite simply, ignorant; ignorant of reality, of history, of the meaning of words and their historic usage, of the very basis even of the Republican Party.
As a long time Republican I find that sad and pitiful; the Grand Old Party has been reduced to a mob with but one battle cry... "What's in it for me?"
Even there they are far too ignorant to even understand that their very actions simply assure their failure over the long term. It is little more than hero worship and demagoguery. It has become a party bereft of ethics or morality dedicated to perpetrating ignorance and fascism.

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jar
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Message 245 of 440 (611333)
04-07-2011 1:09 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by crashfrog
04-07-2011 1:07 PM


Re: Republican Platform is brainwashing
Yawn.
Courts sometimes take children away from Dangerous Parents.
The key word is dangerous.

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jar
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Message 247 of 440 (611335)
04-07-2011 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by crashfrog
04-07-2011 1:13 PM


Re: Republican Platform is brainwashing
And so far you have not shown that racism is a justification. In each case it was not the racism that was the issue but rather that the acts of the parents as opposed to their beliefs were what was significant.
It is the physical threat to the child, not the motivation, that is significant.
Sorry but so far you have not been very convincing.
AbE:
Let me add that the court can also consider threats to others as well as directly to the child, but it is still not simply racist parents teaching racism.
Edited by jar, : add threat to others

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jar
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Message 250 of 440 (611338)
04-07-2011 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by crashfrog
04-07-2011 1:25 PM


Re: Republican Platform is brainwashing
Winnipeg is NOT in the US last time I looked.
Again, I have not said parental rights are absolute.
Speech and belief though is very highly protected.

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jar
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Message 258 of 440 (611352)
04-07-2011 4:25 PM
Reply to: Message 256 by Taq
04-07-2011 4:10 PM


Re: Today's Republican Party is simply ignorant
Taq writes:
jar writes:
Today's Republican Party is quite simply, ignorant; ignorant of reality, of history, of the meaning of words and their historic usage, of the very basis even of the Republican Party.
Is the con man ignorant, or is the ignorance found in those who are conned?
The con man is smart enough to know that his audience wants to be fooled, and that they are too ignorant to know they are being conned.
Taq writes:
jar writes:
As a long time Republican I find that sad and pitiful; the Grand Old Party has been reduced to a mob with but one battle cry... "What's in it for me?"
Shouldn't we be asking that question with respect to public policy? You may be referring to a very narrow and myopic view in which case it is a fair criticism. However, I do believe that we would be better off if people did ask this question more often and if they demanded an answer that went beyond talking points and buzzwords.
No, being a citizen requires that we go beyond just what is good for "me", for the personal individual, and look towards what will be good for society. We are our brothers keepers.

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jar
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Message 264 of 440 (611359)
04-07-2011 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by subbie
04-07-2011 4:45 PM


Re: Republican Platform is brainwashing
Found a California order of preference reference.
quote:
3040. Order of preference
(a) Custody should be granted in the following order of preference according to the best interest of the child as provided in Sections 3011 and 3020:
(1) To both parents jointly pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 3080) or to either parent. In making an order granting custody to either parent, the court shall consider, among other factors, which parent is more likely to allow the child frequent and continuing contact with the noncustodial parent, consistent with Section 3011 and 3020, and shall not prefer a parent as custodian because of that parent's sex. The court, in its discretion, may require the parents to submit to the court a plan for the implementation of the custody order.
(2) If to neither parent, to the person or persons in whose home the child has been living in a wholesome and stable environment.
(3) To any other person or persons deemed by the court to be suitable and able to provide adequate and proper care and guidance for the child.
(b) This section establishes neither a preference nor a presumption for or against joint legal custody, joint physical custody, or sole custody, but allows the court and the family the widest discretion to choose a parenting plan that is in the best interest of the child.

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jar
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Message 265 of 440 (611360)
04-07-2011 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 261 by Taq
04-07-2011 4:45 PM


Re: Today's Republican Party is simply ignorant
And the "Us" should be expanded based on the specifics of the issue.

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jar
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Posts: 34026
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Message 267 of 440 (611362)
04-07-2011 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by Taq
04-07-2011 5:04 PM


Re: Today's Republican Party is simply ignorant
Of course it is allowable. In fact I'd say it was essential.

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jar
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Message 291 of 440 (611405)
04-07-2011 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 288 by marc9000
04-07-2011 8:34 PM


marc9000 writes:
LOL. Too funny. In what way is Social Security a program 'of questionable constitutional authority'?
I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress to impose a mandatory income confiscation system for a government run retirement system. There's also no evidence that FDR consulted the people about it, which the 10th amendment requires.
That's because you likely have never read the Constitution.
It is Article 1 Section 8.
quote:
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
...
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
But that is to be expected. It seems you know as little about history or our nations origins as you do about the Bible or Christianity.

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jar
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Message 308 of 440 (611533)
04-08-2011 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 307 by crashfrog
04-08-2011 2:13 PM


Re: Republican Platform is brainwashing
crashfrog writes:
The First Amendment protects speech, it protects assembly, but it doesn't grant a right to anyone to force another person to listen to speech or assemble - not even the child of a parent.
HUH?
Utter nonsense Froggie, children do not have the right to NOT hear what their parents say. Or what their teachers say. Or what their pastors say.
Children do NOT have equal rights.

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