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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Did you read the article? If so what page refers to the timing of the clock or adjustments made to account for any of the things we have been talking about?
Page 3, Section 2.3 Relavant Relativity
quote: Thes rest of the section details the relativistic corrections necessary and (more importantly, though I imagine you will neglect this) why.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3673 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
...and realise that ICANT wants us to explain to him how the deepest levels of cosmology operate, while he denies the most basic understanding of physics. It is the same as him asking us to explain the astronavigation behind the Apollo landings whilst denying Newtonian mechanics. I think we're all on a fool's errand here.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
cavediver writes: ...and realise that ICANT wants us to explain to him how the deepest levels of cosmology operate, while he denies the most basic understanding of physics. It is the same as him asking us to explain the astronavigation behind the Apollo landings whilst denying Newtonian mechanics. I think we're all on a fool's errand here. Oh, I think we all knew that going in. It's just, making fun of him is rather enjoyable so long as you aren't approaching the debate with the intent of convincing him. Instead, it's a chance to look the stuff up ourselves, learn a little, and then point out that he's a moron and why for all the lurkers I'd feel bad about all of us using ICANT as an intellectual punching bag, but he just keeps coming right back for more and just begs for it...
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4175 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
I agree Rahvin, and you never know, maybe he will learn something, whether he admits it here or not.
I have tryed to be polite and provide credible information on gps and relativity. I like to hike and use gps in conjunction with a map and compass, and have always found the system fascinating, now I know even more about it, even talked to several people who help maintain and operate our gps system, although I am now on some watch list probably "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4175 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Here is a paper on Russia's glonass system and effects of relativity on it.
I would really like to put this to bed, but I suspect it will be ignored also "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3673 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
I'd feel bad about all of us using ICANT as an intellectual punching bag, but he just keeps coming right back for more and just begs for it... I know what you mean, and this is what always drags me back in. But I always end up calling him ten types of idiot, then afterwards feel like I have been taunting a psych-ward patient - I just feel a bit uncomfortable about it
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Jaderis,
Jaderis writes: What do you propose for the "eternal existence of the existence?" How does it happen that something comes from nothing? If some existence caused the existence of our existence then what caused that existence? And what caused that existence....... It does not matter what I call that existence it is responsible for everything that exists today. I call that existence the Existing One as He claims. There are those that call it branes but they really had to exist somewhere, and Hawking created imaginary time in which his and Hartley's instanton could pop into existence and create our universe. So, yes that is the question. But: Either there is eternal existence, OR Existence began to exist. If existence had a beginning to exist that means it had to begin to exist from non-existence. So I will ask you: Is there eternal existence?OR Did existence begin to exist? If the latter could you please explain how it began to exist from non-existence. It is a fact there is existence as we exist, or if we are even brains in a jar somebody or something is controling the experiment. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Straggler,
Straggler writes: So you are saying that the only way to accurately measure the duration of a local event is with a local clock.Is that right? Not really as I believe duration is constant. The effects of gravity on the timepiece would be very small thus just about any accurate clock would give a pretty accurate time for an event on earth. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Paul,
AZPaul3 writes: Because in a cesium cascade clock the "tick rate" is not adjustable. Then how is the adjustment made to the clocks that is placed in orbit to match the earthbound clock?
AZPaul3 writes: Wherever there is a properly tuned and functioning cesium clock, So if the clock can not be adjusted how can it be properly tuned?
AZPaul3 writes: ICANT, what the experiments with the clocks show, what your own sources have shown, is that time is relative between frames of reference What has been shown is that the satellite clocks have to be adjusted to an offset that matches the earthbound clocks or the GPS system will not work. It really does not make any difference what causes the difference in the measured duration. They have to match. God Bless, Edited by ICANT, : correct recipent "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Paul,
Here is the entire page.
quote:Emphasis mine. So according to that the satellite clocks are adjustable and are adjusted to keep the exact time the clock on earth does. If that is wrong please explain. God Bless, Edited by ICANT, : correct recipient "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
ICANT writes: Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes: Because in a cesium cascade clock the "tick rate" is not adjustable. Then how is the adjustment made to the clocks that is placed in orbit to match the earthbound clock?
Rahvin writes: Wherever there is a properly tuned and functioning cesium clock, So if the clock can not be adjusted how can it be properly tuned?
Rahvin writes: ICANT, what the experiments with the clocks show, what your own sources have shown, is that time is relative between frames of reference What has been shown is that the satellite clocks have to be adjusted to an offset that matches the earthbound clocks or the GPS system will not work. It really does not make any difference what causes the difference in the measured duration. They have to match. God Bless, You may want to edit your posts ICANT. You were replying to AZPaul3, not me. I never said the things you quoted, though I agree with them.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi fear,
fearandloathing writes: I would really like to put this to bed, but I suspect it will be ignored also From your source.
quote: They adjust the offsets every half hour. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.7 |
Hi Rahvin,
Seems like I had Rahvin on the brain. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I call that existence the Existing One as He claims. Sounds like you really do have a priori. Why did you start this thread if you already have the answer? Do you have any experiments to provide the validity of this gentleman's claim of being the existing one? "What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Then how is the adjustment made to the clocks that is placed in orbit to match the earthbound clock? The clock itself is not adjusted. The time output from the clock is adjusted before being placed in the transmitted message. The cesium clock ticks at its natural rate. That rate cannot be adjusted.
So if the clock can not be adjusted how can it be properly tuned? You were supposed to have studied cesium clocks and the way they operate. Especially the NIST-F1 at Boulder. You should be able to answer this question on your own. "Tuning" in relation to the NIST-F1 involves varying (thus "tuning")the microwave frequency until the cluster of cesium atoms fluoreses at its natural frequency. It does not refer to tuning the clock rate itself, but to the process that brings the clock to the point where we can begin to count the clock rate which is always 9,192,631,770 cycles per second.
What has been shown is that the satellite clocks have to be adjusted to an offset that matches the earthbound clocks or the GPS system will not work. It really does not make any difference what causes the difference in the measured duration. They have to match. OK. So if you don't care why the output adjustments need to be made (Time Dilation per GR) for GPS to work then why are you even in this discussion? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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