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Black Cat
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Message 196 of 366 (627759)
08-03-2011 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Panda
08-03-2011 9:55 PM


Re: Round and round...
I can admit it doesn't seem clear what his intentions are. I also affirm that he does not indicate that he intends to quote directly. You on the other hand insist that he claims to be quoting directly. So, for the fourth time I'll ask, where does Dr. Craig claim that he is quoting directly?

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Black Cat
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Message 197 of 366 (627760)
08-03-2011 10:12 PM
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08-03-2011 9:55 PM


Re: Round and round...
Let me rephrase my question. Where in that sentence does Dr. Craig claim that he is quoting directly?
Edited by Black Cat, : No reason given.

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Black Cat
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Message 201 of 366 (627764)
08-03-2011 11:05 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Panda
08-03-2011 10:24 PM


Re: Round and round...
Black Cat writes:
Where in that sentence does Dr. Craig claim that he is quoting directly?
Panda writes:
Sentences are interpreted as a whole.
If you break them up or remove parts of them (as Dr. Craig did) they lose their intended meaning.
I'm not asking you to break it up or to remove part of it.
Dr. Craig writes:
On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows:
Again I'll ask, where in the above sentence does Dr. Craig claim that he is quoting directly?

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Black Cat
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Message 208 of 366 (627784)
08-04-2011 8:18 AM
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08-04-2011 5:46 AM


Re: Round and round...
Panda insists that he actually did claim to be quoting directly. That's the issue I'm addressing with him.
Edited by Black Cat, : No reason given.
Edited by Black Cat, : No reason given.

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Black Cat
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Message 210 of 366 (627786)
08-04-2011 8:31 AM
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08-04-2011 5:43 AM


Re: Round and round...
You appear to have mis-understood my request again.
Dr. Craig writes:
On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows:
Where in this sentence does Dr. Craig claim to be quoting directly?
Remember quoting the whole sentence is not an answer to my question.

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Black Cat
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Message 212 of 366 (627790)
08-04-2011 8:36 AM
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08-04-2011 8:31 AM


Re: Round and round...
I do, that's not an accurate summary of what I wrote.

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Black Cat
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Message 222 of 366 (627809)
08-04-2011 10:31 AM
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08-04-2011 9:40 AM


Re: Round and round...
Let me rephrase my question again.
Dr. Craig writes:
On pages 157-8 of his book, Dawkins summarizes what he calls "the central argument of my book." It goes as follows:
How does the above sentence provide support for your claim that Dr. Craig claimed to be quoting directly? It's quite evident that he's not claiming to quote directly.
Edited by Black Cat, : No reason given.

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Black Cat
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Message 223 of 366 (627811)
08-04-2011 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 159 by Dr Adequate
08-02-2011 11:24 AM


So when he says crane, he's referring to a probable explanation?
I don't see a difference in meaning between the following:
We don't have an equivalent explanation for physics.
We don't yet have an equivalent probable explanation for physics.
I don't see how W.L.C damaged the accuracy or intent of his statement. If you could explain this to me I would appreciate it.

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Black Cat
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Message 225 of 366 (627814)
08-04-2011 10:55 AM
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08-04-2011 10:47 AM


Re: Round and round...
I'm waiting for you to answer my question. Let me know when you're prepared to do so.

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Black Cat
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Message 227 of 366 (627818)
08-04-2011 11:12 AM
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08-04-2011 11:07 AM


Re: Round and round...
It's nonsensical to ask how you draw support for your claim from a specific statement? It's not clearly evident from the sentence that he intended to quote directly. You claim it is. I'm asking you to explain your reasoning.
Edited by Black Cat, : No reason given.

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Black Cat
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Message 230 of 366 (627827)
08-04-2011 11:51 AM
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08-04-2011 11:33 AM


Re: Round and round...
Yet you are unable to to show how. All you can do is repeat the same thing over and over again.

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Black Cat
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Message 232 of 366 (627830)
08-04-2011 12:13 PM
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08-04-2011 11:59 AM


Re: Round and round...
I can comprehend English well enough. The sentence doesn't indicate that he intends to quote directly. It doesn't include any lead in that would suggest he was quoting directly. Such things as: Dawkins writes, As said by Dawkins, and so on.
Straggler also mentioned that Dr. Craig intended to summarize. Looks like you're on your own with the direct quoting nonsense.

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Black Cat
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Message 234 of 366 (627832)
08-04-2011 12:49 PM
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08-04-2011 12:34 PM


Re: Round and round...
Panda writes:
The sentence does indicate that he intends to quote directly.
How so?
Panda writes:
It does include a lead in that would suggest he was quoting directly.
Where?
Panda writes:
It does have such things as: Dawkins writes, As said by Dawkins, and so on.
Where?

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