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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
If you are an employee of a corporation which is doing the wrong thing under the current system I keep asking and you keep evading the question. What does it mean for a corporation to "do" something? Please be specific.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3976 Joined: |
You know the topic - Something about the current Republican primaries.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
It strikes me that the group that seems most often to ascribe to corporations a form of "personhood" they can't meaningfully have are the people, like you, who are supposedly opposed to "corporate personhood." Could you rephrase that? Are you accusing me of not being able to identify an action a corporation can take, before even asking me?
Walk me through the process by which a corporation does something, as distinguished from the people who work for the corporation doing something. An example: Bank of America donates half a million dollars to the Mitt Romney campaign fund. Shell Oil has an oil rig spill off the coast of Africa. Koch Industries dumping toxic chemicals in Kansas.
Corporations have no existence apart from the legal fiction that they're discreet units who can own property and delegate agency. If that's all their personhood afforded them, there wouldn't be a problem. Which individual person from GM received the bailout money?"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Who wrote it? If its was produced by the corporation, and the corporation's only employee was you, then perforce you're the one who wrote it and therefore you're the one who violated the copyright. A salesmen at the car lot did not build the car.The guy who built the car did not design the car. A producer does not write the script. The writer does. Your name appears on the contract between you and your company, the one that allows you to be paid. And you have to be paid, right, because the studio pays your company for the TV show but somehow it has only a folding chair as assets. Where did those assets go? Obviously, they went to you So, if I want to sue Ford for make a crappy car, I should sue Murray the Janitor at Ford Headquarters because he gets paid by Ford with the money they made off selling me the car? That doesn't make sense. How is Murray directly responsible for this?
So, there's a paper trail between you "producing" a script that violates someone else's copyright, You clearly don't understand what "producing" means.
Therefore you've profited from the violation; So has Murray the Janitor.
and NugginCo has reported to the IRS that you were paid such and such amount for that work. And Ford reported to the IRS that Murray was paid such and such.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
I keep asking and you keep evading the question. What does it mean for a corporation to "do" something? Please be specific. Okay, here's an example. The supreme court has ruled that it is perfectly legal for a corporation to donate unlimited amounts of money to a republican candidate. That is a corporation "doing" something. What it is doing is buying a politician. If it's NOT the one doing it, then the USSC decision makes no sense.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Are you accusing me of not being able to identify an action a corporation can take, before even asking me? I'm accusing you of ironically reifying corporations in ways that don't make any sense. Ironically, because you claim to be opposed to "corporate personhood."
Bank of America donates half a million dollars to the Mitt Romney campaign fund. No, you're not answering the question. (I think maybe it's too simple for you to grasp.) But ok, we'll use your example. Bank of America "donates." Well, ok. With what does "Bank of America" hold the pen to sign the check? Please be specific.
Which individual person from GM received the bailout money? No individual person at GM received the bailout money. How are you not understanding "discreet units who can own property and delegate agency"? Money was transferred from an account in the name of the US Treasury to an account in the name of General Motors. When you say that a corporation did something, precisely what do you mean? What do you mean by "Koch Industries dumping toxic chemicals in Kansas"? What did the corporation use to lift and open the barrels? Be specific.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Just saw Moose's warning. New topic, perhaps? I don't care either way.
"Why don't you call upon your God to strike me? Oh, I forgot it's because he's fake like Thor, so bite me" -Greydon Square
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
So, if I want to sue Ford for make a crappy car, I should sue Murray the Janitor at Ford Headquarters because he gets paid by Ford with the money they made off selling me the car? No, you should sue whoever is liable for whatever damages you suffered.
How is Murray directly responsible for this? You tell me! You're the one who wants to punish him. How did you manage to get the terms of the debate so completely backwards? I don't believe that he's responsible so I don't think he should be punished. Stop for a minute and quit acting like the only way to talk to me is to contradict literally everything I say. That relentless contrarianism never worked for Holmes and he was better at it than you are.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The supreme court has ruled that it is perfectly legal for a corporation to donate unlimited amounts of money to a republican candidate. That's not the ruling of Citizens United. That's the effect of the ruling of Citizens United.
That is a corporation "doing" something. Walk me through what the "corporation" is doing. When the corporation writes a check to the Republican candidate for office, how does it hold the pen? Be specific.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Just saw Moose's warning. Yeah I just saw it, too. Start a new thread if you like. I'd like to explore the notion of "corporate personhood", I think it's pretty fuzzy for you (and for pretty much everybody who is on about it.)
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
quit acting like the only way to talk to me is to contradict literally everything I say. That relentless contrarianism never worked for Holmes and he was better at it than you are. I'm not contradicting everything you say and I'm way better at it than Holmes!
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Walk me through what the "corporation" is doing. When the corporation writes a check to the Republican candidate for office, how does it hold the pen? Be specific. They don't actually write a check. They transfer money from one bank account to another electronically.
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actual reply: Message 14
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 314 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Bored of doing real polls, the Pew Research Center has done a word association test instead.
The three words most people think of when they hear Rick Perry are: "Texas", "idiot" and "NO". The poll does not record what proportion of people responded with mute, wordless horror.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3698 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Instead of playing a never ending bash each other game, I've yet to see an informative description of what either party is all about, and how they differ from each other's politics and agenda. In the big picture, what does a Liberal stand for? What is the agenda of Republicans? I honestly don't have a clue.
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