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Obviously I know one can argue against what we believe and not have to believe the one we believe exists in order to argue against it. I know this Modulous. Have I accused anyone here- one single person- of doing this?

I'm simply pointing out that in almost 100% of cases where you find an atheist who is suggesting that God is morally culpable - it is not because the atheist actually believes that God exists.As such, in almost 100% of cases where an atheist is accused of foolishness for making this mistake, the mistake is actually being made by a theist who cannot quite grasp that the atheist is taking god's existence as a given or as hypothetically shown - for the purposes of debate.Whether you have ever made this error I do not know. If you thought this particular point was anything other than a triviality, you may have done.

So a balloon that is being blown up and is expanding is not a closed system?

Geez, of course I can assure you i know this. Did you think I didn't? Of course I know this.Tho, we don't know everyone's hearts. Some atheists could be agnostic deep down and are trying to find there way thru debate...
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What are you anyway? Can you clarify your position here? I'ts hard to tell with all of your wishywashy posts throughout this forum. Are you:A)ChristianB)AgnosticC)AtheistD)Theistic evolutionistE)Does not knowI think I saw you arguing against macroevolution on another thread, not to mention all the other posts on various threads where no one knows what position you're arguing for.Atleast with me I try to be consistant and outspoken with what I believe. You seem like you need validation here and need to be accepted yet are trying to slowly let out your postion little by little.Do you even know what your postion is?Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Yes, but I can't imagine why you think this relevant, so let me address a different issue.Normally when one posts crap, the easiest and most straightforward remedy is to admit error, and then there are cheers all round. Probably the worst approach is to post more crap.--Percy

Taking the balloon example literally: No, because some input into the balloon is causing the expansion--either more air or more heat is required to cause the balloon to expand.Without that input, the balloon will cool or leak or both, and thus contract. If the balloon is being actively inflated, the inflating is part of the system, and thus the balloon itself is not a closed system.Our balloon-planet is not a closed system because it receives energy from the sun and radiates energy (and some atmosphere) into space. Even the gravitational forces acting on our blue balloon--the sun, the moon, the universe--have an effect.

Sorry but another sophomoric list Chuck.I can fix it for you.christian creationist that believes stuff was poofed into existence.Christian that supports that EVOLUTION is a fact and that the Theory of Evolution is the only model that explains the diversity we see today.See how much better it is

Only a theist could blame god for the evil in this world does not mean "all theists blame their gods for the evil in the world", does it?Your first point in the O.P. describes a foolish person who blames a god for the evils in the world while "vigorously denying the existence of God". That describes someone who is vigorously denying the existence of something he or she believes in. In order to blame a god for the evils in the world one has to believe in the existence of that god. Therefore, one has to be a theist which is a term defined as meaning one who believes in the existence of a god or gods.It's quite common for people to deny the existence of something they believe in. A criminal believing that there's evidence that does support his guilt might still deny it, but that doesn't change his belief position.So, you've really scored an own goal in that first "sign". And as I suggested in my first post, it's foolish to re-post the work of other fools on discussion boards.

I had no idea whether you knew it. It wasn't just for your benefit that I say it, but for our mutual readers too.Edited by Modulous, : changed tense

No its definitively not, you need to add stuff to blow up a balloon!a closed system cant exchange nothing with outside.We keep getting new space, we keep getting gravitational effect from outside of our universe, we even keep getting virtual particles and loosing them, ......p.s.even if the universe is a closed system that would only mean that we have not yet reached the point of entropy where life and evolution is impossible. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Edited by frako, : No reason given.

Well, you clearly stated in your opening post that this is what you believed: But if you wish to now retract the first claim in your list then fine - we can then move on to you retracting the rest of your claims.

So you understand that the first point from your list is wrong? That it would be like saying, "Christians vigorously deny the existence of Allah, yet they frequently blame Him for the "evils" in the world, like terrorism, the wars in the Middle East, and much else that is wrong."?Let's put the first point from both lists side-by-side: Your point 10 about atheists is impossible, while the point 10 about Christians is true.And all the other points in the list of "Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian" are also true, while most of the points in your list are not true, and some of them defy logic and interpretation.Yet you defend them anyway. How stupid does something said by a fellow Christian have to be before you'll admit it's wrong?--Percy

How about you answer the question?

My guess is that you are the only person here who cannot figure out what my position on evolution is after reading a couple of my posts. It is simply untrue that I've been the least bit inconsistent about my view.Of course it would be easy to show that I'm wishy-washy. Just point to a couple of inconsistent posts made by me. You can start by pointing to a post in which I argued against macroevolution. I don't see the virtue in being loud and wrong, but okay.