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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Panda writes: You have to remember that in NoNukes' mind, all soldiers are murderous bastards that launch missiles at children while laughing maniacally.They have no heart nor soul nor conscience. They are just mindless killing machines. Actually, because suicide and homicide rates in the US military are skyrocketing, IMO, I would bet the military would love to develop soul-less murderous bastards who take orders without conscience. AKA, the "perfect soldier."
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I can't tell if you're unable to follow a discussion or your'e just "joking" some more.
Well, since the cousin's action may directly impact your family or friend's life, why wouldn't it be a good idea to consider blowback? I'm not saying don't consider it at all. I'm saying that it shouldn't be considered in determining the cost of the action. Well, maybe in hindsight it could be factored in but that's not what we're talking about.
You are advocating violence for no known reason? Huh? What are you talking about? I don't advocate the 9/11 attacks.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
CS writes: The elimination of Taliban and Al-Qaeda leaders. America has spent ELEVEN YEARS and SEVERAL TRILLION dollars on this goal. How successful have we been with our military solution so far? Obama has signed a nearly secret contract with Karzai for another ten year lease for US bases in Afghanistan. Was that a smart thing to do?
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
dronester writes:
But since, as you say, the rates of PTSD symptoms are increasing, clearly the soldiers are not mindless killers. Actually, because suicide and homicide rates in the US military are skyrocketing, IMO, I would bet the military would love to develop soul-less murderous bastards who take orders without conscience. AKA, the "perfect soldier."Thanks for supporting my argument. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
dronester writes:
"Nearly secret"? Obama has signed a nearly secret contract with Karzai for another ten year lease for US bases in Afghanistan.lol If the Taliban ever read these forums then the cat would well and truly be out of the bag... My friend is nearly pregnant - do I congratulate her or not? Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
CS writes: I can't tell if you're unable to follow a discussion or your'e just "joking" some more. As in my joking response to Ringo, I'll try to continue to use emoticons when joking. But since a fair share of my jokes fall flat and cause irritation (which then cause me irritation), I should seriously consider limiting them.
CS writes: I'm not saying don't consider it at all. I'm saying that it shouldn't be considered in determining the cost of the action. Well, maybe in hindsight it could be factored in but that's not what we're talking about. You're flipping a little here. I am pleased that I have made you think about this. The costs of blowback ARE what I am talking about.
CS writes: Huh? What are you talking about? I don't advocate the 9/11 attacks. C'mon. You know I am referring to the cause of 9/11. Something that you admitted you have no idea.
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Panda writes: But since, as you say, the rates of PTSD symptoms are increasing, clearly the soldiers are not mindless killers. Really, you think ALL soldiers are led by their conscience and not just by orders?
Panda writes: Thanks for supporting my argument. Thanks for showing that not all jokes need emoticons.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
dronester writes:
Since you seem to have the 'low down' on this: how many soldiers are led solely by orders?
Really, you think ALL soldiers are led by their conscience and not just by orders? dronester writes:
Well, clearly my joke did. Thanks for showing that not all jokes need emoticons. "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Obama doesn't need to fool the Taliban, just the voting public.
Earlier this year in May, while Obama was triumphantly declaring that he was bringing home troops from Afghanistan, he met with Kurzai during a surprise "midnight" visit to sign the ten year base extension hoping the corporate media wouldn't report that part.
Obama, Karzai Sign Strategic Pact on Surprise Afghan VisitObama, Karzai Sign Strategic Pact on Surprise Afghan Visit - WSJ Obama pulls a fast one in Afghanistan- extends stay for 10 years
quote:http://www.examiner.com/...anistan-extends-stay-for-10-years
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Panda writes: Since you seem to have the 'low down' on this: how many soldiers are led solely by orders? I think "too many" is sufficient answer.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Wow!
How did you get hold of those photos of Obama's secret meeting?! "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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dronestar Member Posts: 1417 From: usa Joined: Member Rating: 6.4 |
Not surprisingly, not from the corporate media.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
dronester writes:
No. It is not sufficient. I think "too many" is sufficient answer. The honest answer is:"Dronester doesn't have any idea how many soldiers, if any, are only led by orders. Instead he is using weasel words aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact it hasn't." "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Yeah I have no idea but if you have the legal right to blow someone up I would think that you have the legal right to arrest them. No, that's exactly backwards. Militaries have the legal right to operate in other countries. Police have no legal right to operate anywhere except their own jurisdictions.
We make up our own rules so why not make some that more accurately reflect our desire to be civilized? I think restrained, surgical strikes against specific targets represent a higher ideal of civilization than the vast destruction and loss of human life that accompanies traditional infantry warfare.
It has long been recognized that the object of war is not to kill your enemy but rather to subdue him. To subdue by killing, yes. Soldiers don't shoot to wound, but to kill. Directly targeting key personnel to disrupt enemy organization is a tactic that goes back to Sun Tsu. That's what military snipers do. That's why we killed Yamamoto (and his air crew, and probably somebody on the ground in China.) There's literally nothing new going when drones are used to strike at key enemies.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3742 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
dronester writes:
But it was a SECRET meeting!!! Not surprisingly, not from the corporate media. Do you have friends high up in government??Were you using a stealth drone to take the photos?? Or were you just talking shit and making up lies about how secret the meeting was."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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