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Author Topic:   The US Gov't is Guilty of Murder
crashfrog
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Message 306 of 318 (673562)
09-20-2012 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by Straggler
09-20-2012 6:20 AM


Re: Moral Calculus
On what basis are you convinced that those undertaking the attacks are doing the necessary moral calculus?
They're human beings, aren't they?

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crashfrog
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Message 309 of 318 (673567)
09-20-2012 10:52 AM
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09-20-2012 10:45 AM


Re: Immoral Killings
If when US citizens are killed by those who consider themselves at "war" with America it is "murder" but when the US kills people it believes it is at "war" with it isn't murder
Really? You don't see the fundamental asymmetry in what you've just described? When a militant attacks the US, both the militant and the US agree that he's at war with the US. The militant is happy to tell you and the US is happy to take him at his word. But the people the militant is usually attacking - American civilians - aren't at war with anybody. And that is murder.
Killing a soldier, on a battlefield, during a war isn't "murder." Killing a civilian during an attack on a soldier is a regrettable accident, but it's not murder either. Killing a civilian on purpose is murder. We're not the ones who do that. The people we're trying to kill are.

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crashfrog
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Message 310 of 318 (673568)
09-20-2012 10:55 AM
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09-20-2012 10:51 AM


Re: Moral Calculus
And given the demonstrable ability of humans to act immorally or to psychologically immunise themselves from actions they might normally consider immoral - I think you have pretty much made my point for me.
And what point is that? That our militaries are run by sociopaths that kill kids for fun? Why on Earth would I believe something so stupid?

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crashfrog
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Message 314 of 318 (675589)
10-12-2012 3:05 PM


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Malala, who has said she wants to be a doctor, gained notice by blogging for the BBC under a pseudonym in 2009. Diary of a Pakistani schoolgirl described with visceral detail militants’ attempts to subjugate the residents of her native Swat Valley and, especially, the Taliban’s attempt to ban girls from attending school.
Since today was the last day of our school, we decided to play in the playground a bit longer. I am of the view that the school will one day reopen, but while leaving I looked at the building as if I would not come here again, she wrote.
The Pakistani military eventually beat back the Taliban, but the group continues to cast a shadow, especially in rural regions which is why Malala kept advocating on behalf of girls who want to learn and become productive members of a modern society.
Malala was shot in the head and neck. She is likely to survive, although the extent of her recovery remains to be seen. Still in critical condition, she was transported to a new hospital Thursday.
http://www.nydailynews.com/...file-courage-article-1.1181476
Taliban activities in Pakistan have, so far, killed almost 40,000 men, women, and children. When they blow up weddings and funerals, it's on purpose.

  
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